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Brownsville's area is clearly tropical, and a couple in a century kind of vortexes don't change that. It doesn't even have a mean minimum below freezing.
Just because there was a forty-year gap between the 2021 Brownsville freeze and the previous one does not mean it will be another forty years until the next one. Since 1900 major freezes occurred in 1905, 1911, 1949, 1951, 1962, 1983, 1989, and 2021. Even queen palms do not seem to be a long-term proposition there, let alone truly tropical species.
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With a century and a half of weather records, it should be possible to get some statistical idea of the frequency of severe freezes in South Texas. Among all the freezes, there are at least 9 or 10 which could be classified as prolonged hard freezes. For palm trees, this would be a freeze hard enough to kill queen palms, (Syagrus romanzoffianum) or older, weaker Mexican fan palms (Washingtonia robusta). There are surprisingly few freezes which are "borderline" cases in Brownsville -- freezes which are either fairly hard or prolonged but not both. Such examples would include 1850, 1875, 1886, and 1949 (1895 might also belong here -- critical data is missing from that spell). So for 150 years of weather records and 9 or 10 really bad freezes, that would be an average of one ever 15 or 16 years.
Yeah, actually I call them Cold Temperate climates (C3t), because they belong onto the cold family of climates, grade 1, or "moderate" year-wise. And its subtypes are continental (C3tc) and oceanic (C3to) aswell as hyperoceanic (C3ch)
Winnipeg is just in the very lower end of the cold temperate area. Actually the out-of-the-heat-island nearby areas are plain hemiboreal.
Winnipeg and temperate should never be mentioned in the same sentence regardless of how many qualifiers are placed around it.
Is the climate of the southeast really an inferior/not a true subtropical climate?
This thread has shown that the answer to this question is an unequivocal yes and that any attempt to jury-rig a system to change that answer creates all sorts of even worse problems.
This thread has shown that the answer to this question is an unequivocal yes and that any attempt to jury-rig a system to change that answer creates all sorts of even worse problems.
We all have our own opinions on broader and narrower terminology. I'm fine with Winnipeg being temperate, it's not subarctic. The only area in contiguous USA that is tropical is Florida Keys, but there are EVEN a few that disagree with that - however, that's not what this topic is about.
We all have our own opinions on broader and narrower terminology. I'm fine with Winnipeg being temperate, it's not subarctic. The only area in contiguous USA that is tropical is Florida Keys, but there are EVEN a few that disagree with that - however, that's not what this topic is about.
There are other options besides just temperate and subarctic. Everyone seems to have forgotten about continental.
This thread has shown that the answer to this question is an unequivocal yes and that any attempt to jury-rig a system to change that answer creates all sorts of even worse problems.
Humid subtropical means the coldest month daily averages above 32, hottest month above 71, and/or 8 months above 50.
That is the scientific definition, Trewartha came up with the term "humid subtropical", you're the one doing the jury-rigging.
Interested to know if you believe there to be such a thing as subtropical vegetation? - with a -3C isotherm, subtropical vegetation would be as likely to mean a birch or fir tree, as an olive tree or Norfolk pine.
The likes of Stockholm, or Yarmouth in Nova Scotia would be considered to have subtropical vegetation.
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-3 Celsius
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No way, that would make Erie, PA and Cleveland, OH subtropical lol
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