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Old 10-18-2021, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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I'm not seeing the logic of this -how can Oceanic and continental climates be regarded as opposite sides of the same coin, when their latitudes can span from the 30s to 70s in latitude?
Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. The distinguishing feature of a continental climate is precisely that it is not temperate.
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Old 10-19-2021, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Yeah, it makes no sense to me either. The distinguishing feature of a continental climate is precisely that it is not temperate.
That's not correct. As much as it pains me to say it, even subpolar climates are temperate. In Koppen, B, C and D climates are temperate; A are tropical, and E are polar
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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That's not correct. As much as it pains me to say it, even subpolar climates are temperate. In Koppen, B, C and D climates are temperate; A are tropical, and E are polar
That's certainly not the prevailing terminology in the scientific community.
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Old 10-19-2021, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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That's not correct. As much as it pains me to say it, even subpolar climates are temperate. In Koppen, B, C and D climates are temperate; A are tropical, and E are polar
It's the cold temperate in particular that I disagree with - the notion that a climate that has never seen a freezing temperature, can be considered cold temperate, doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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It's the cold temperate in particular that I disagree with - the notion that a climate that has never seen a freezing temperature, can be considered cold temperate, doesn't make sense to me.
It's the temperate continental in particular that I disagree with--the notion that a climate that normally sees temperatures between -35°C and +35°C each and every year can be considered temperate doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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That's certainly not the prevailing terminology in the scientific community.
What are you talking about? Koppen is the official climate grouping, and in Koppen, A is megathermal, B/C/D are all mesothermal(i.e. temperate), and E is microthermal
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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It's the temperate continental in particular that I disagree with--the notion that a climate that normally sees temperatures between -35°C and +35°C each and every year can be considered temperate doesn't make sense to me.
Yes, temperate has a specific meaning which does not fit at all with the word extreme.

I also take issue with oceanic being regarded as the flip side of continental climates. My climate isn't an island version of Vladivostok
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Old 10-19-2021, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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What are you talking about? Koppen is the official climate grouping, and in Koppen, A is megathermal, B/C/D are all mesothermal(i.e. temperate), and E is microthermal
Have a look here:

https://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Mesothermal_climate


Also have a look here:

https://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Microthermal_climate
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Old 10-19-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Ah, I forgot, that D are considered microthermal, and E are just grouped polar. I had thought that D were in mesothermal group as well, and that E was microthermal. Hadn't looked at Koppen in a while
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Old 10-19-2021, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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I'm not seeing the logic of this -how can Oceanic and continental climates be regarded as opposite sides of the same coin, when their latitudes can span from the 30s to 70s in latitude?
lol cold temperate don't reach the 30s (besides maybe some extreme and isolated case, I would have to check it out) and barely the 60s. You say 30s because your opinion is just influenced by Koppen and his flawed C category where he puts oceanic in.

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It's the temperate continental in particular that I disagree with--the notion that a climate that normally sees temperatures between -35°C and +35°C each and every year can be considered temperate doesn't make sense to me.
Are you aware that there are also subpolar and polar climates? so you would call subpolar to have "alien cold" then or something like that. How in the world a metro area with over 15 million pop like Moscow cannot be thought as (cold) temperate? or even more, Berlin?

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