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Old 08-25-2017, 11:23 AM
 
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The lengths some will go to to rewrite history , so what's more reliable youtubers opinion or the dedicated work of actual scientists?, seriously this is just getting pathetic.

Show me where in any scientific publication where any researcher ever said some Eurasian population population set the foundation for Ancient Egypt, that video you had there was most likely made by someone known as 7Phonecian7 a known white supramacist.
You are embarrassing yourself. You haven't provided a single bit of proof for your black supremacy propaganda and bigotry. I am guessing you are just here to be provocative.

The scientific publications you are asking about have already been provided several times in this thread.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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You are embarrassing yourself. You haven't provided a single bit of proof for your black supremacy propaganda and bigotry. I am guessing you are just here to be provocative.
"black supramacy"?

What black supramacy?

And by the way I am pretty sure African civilisations like the Nok, the Sao, Axum, Great Zimbabwe had the wheel


You just can't stand that what I am saying is true and it seems to be cutting deep into your bull**** world views
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Sure, some negroid Africans also speak Afro-Asiatic languages, but then again, Jamaicans and African-Americans speak a Germanic language
Also, I am pretty sure the enslaved European Christian descendants of the barbary slave trade also speak an African Asiatic language.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:47 AM
 
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I doubt there were many slaves in Egypt. Even the pyramids were built by regular Egyptians, not by slaves, although it was very hard work.
Textual and archaeological evidence confirm that there was indeed widespread slavery in ancient Egypt.

The pyramids and other major works were built by forced or coerced labor, but it is true that this labor came from the peasant class who were conscripted, as needed, to perform labor for the state/pharaoh. One could argue that this would be the mere exploitation of labor rather than true slavery, more akin to prison work detail or a military draft.

There was also bonded labor like indentured servitude, whereby members of the free peasant class could pay a debt by selling themselves or their family members into servitude to their debtor until the debt was considered paid. This also required the forfeit of all their property.

Finally, there was chattel slavery (the type of slavery we see in the trans-Atlantic slave trade in the Americas in the early modern period). Most of these originated as war captives or criminals, but in the fashion of chattel slavery, the children of slaves were considered property of the slave master. Chattel slavery provided labor for the most dirty, dangerous, and tedious work in ancient Egyptian society.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:54 AM
 
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Textual and archaeological evidence confirm that there was indeed widespread slavery in ancient Egypt.

The pyramids and other major works were built by forced or coerced labor, but it is true that this labor came from the peasant class who were conscripted, as needed, to perform labor for the state/pharaoh. One could argue that this would be the mere exploitation of labor rather than true slavery, more akin to prison work detail or a military draft.

There was also bonded labor like indentured servitude, whereby members of the free peasant class could pay a debt by selling themselves or their family members into servitude to their debtor until the debt was considered paid. This also required the forfeit of all their property.

Finally, there was chattel slavery (the type of slavery we see in the trans-Atlantic slave trade in the Americas in the early modern period). Most of these originated as war captives or criminals, but in the fashion of chattel slavery, the children of slaves were considered property of the slave master. Chattel slavery provided labor for the most dirty, dangerous, and tedious work in ancient Egyptian society.

The Egyptians enslaved Nubian war captives and Libyan war captives, but there was no large scale slavery.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:09 PM
 
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And by the way I am pretty sure African civilisations like the Nok, the Sao, Axum, Great Zimbabwe had the wheel
I actually agree with you on that, they probably had the wheel when Europeans arrived, whether invented by themselves or as an imported idea. Maybe used as potter's wheels or for grinding grain.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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I actually agree with you on that, they probably had the wheel when Europeans arrived, whether invented by themselves or as an imported idea. Maybe used as potter's wheels or for grinding grain.
Yeah there's also some very old stone settlement in west Africa made by the ancestors of the Soninke known as tichitt walata but I don't think a wheel was required to make these




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Old 08-25-2017, 09:28 PM
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A new DNA study just came out which includes Nubians.


Quoted "We investigate the population history of northeast Africa by genotyping ~3.9 million SNPs in 221 individuals from 18 populations sampled in Sudan and South Sudan and combine this data with published genome-wide data from surrounding areas. We find a strong genetic divide between the populations from the northeastern parts of the region (Nubians, central Arab populations, and the Beja) and populations towards the west and south (Nilotes, Darfur and Kordofan populations)." End Quote

Northeast African genomic variation shaped by the continuity of indigenous groups and Eurasian migrations
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Old 08-25-2017, 09:33 PM
 
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Dunne252,


Do you consider all Egyptians of the Old Kingdom to have been Black?



I agree more with the view that Egyptian looks varied because the population was mixed.

Here are some Old Kingdom images. One is Hemiunu an architect the other a scribe. Not many people would mistake them for being Nubians.


Hemiunu:

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id463990881



Old Kingdom scribe:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b8/4e/be/b84ebe0b65ddecee58ec419bc082efa4--scribe-egyptian-art.jpg
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Old 08-25-2017, 10:18 PM
 
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When Europeans "discovered" sub-Saharan Africa in the 18th century, the Africans hadn't invented the wheel yet. They had no written language...
True most sub-Saharan Africans didn't have the type of writing that would allow them to leave records before European contact. But those who had converted to Islam could read and write Arabic. Only a small number of people in history actually developed a writing system then other people borrowed from them. The Greeks got their alphabet from the Phoenicians for example.

As for the wheel. Like with writing only a small number of people actually invented the wheel then other people borrowed the idea. Many Africans like Native Americans didn't use beast of burden which is usually connected to the development of the wheel.
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