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Propose to annex itself to United States 10 38.46%
Propose to annex itself to France 16 61.54%
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:17 AM
 
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The DR only began to rapidly progress over the past 30 years. Prior to that it was another Caribbean charity case. The DR is NOT able to solve Haiti's problems as they still have tons of problems to deal with. Interestingly enough much of its recent progress is because its low wages makes the DR competitive in many sectors due to low operating costs. That was the basis for its tourism industry and its EPZ manufacturing.
This is very accurate, citizens were still burning tires along autopistas upon my arrival in 1983.
Even today, with all the progress; the DR is ill-equipped to assist.
Plus they don't want to:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...enship/575527/
Just like the U.S.,the DR has many jobs Dominicans would rather not perform.
Perhaps one means to help Haiti, and the DR business owners relying on Haitian labor; would be making it easier for Haitians to obtain temp work visas.?
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Old 02-04-2020, 02:43 PM
 
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The DR & Haiti actually have quite poor relations. There is a very strong anti-Haitian movement in the DR which is actively trying to throw out all Haitians from the country. DR citizens generally view Haitians with contempt and are often accused of taking DR jobs and lowering wages.

The reality is that nobody is going to come to Haiti's defense. Yes countries will continue to send aid but besides that, the future of Haiti is dependent upon Haitians themselves.
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Old 02-05-2020, 11:55 PM
 
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What is the situation of French Language in Haiti? I know it is recognized as an official language but how many people still speak it? If I visit Port au Prince, will I be able to communicate with most people in French?
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Old 02-06-2020, 07:34 AM
 
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What is the situation of French Language in Haiti? I know it is recognized as an official language but how many people still speak it? If I visit Port au Prince, will I be able to communicate with most people in French?
Nope. The Haitian population at large never learn to speak French. The only ones that did were the whites (most of them were French or from French origin), most of the mulattoes (most were descendants in part of the French), and some blacks. Today French is spoken by a small group on top of society, mostly mulattoes.

French Kreyol, which is a language of its own partly based on French and not a type of French, is spoken basically by everybody, from the top to the bottom of society. A French speaker will not be able to communicate effectively with a French Kreyol speaker unless they speak and understand French too.
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Old 02-06-2020, 10:35 AM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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What is the situation of French Language in Haiti? I know it is recognized as an official language but how many people still speak it? If I visit Port au Prince, will I be able to communicate with most people in French?
You likely won't be able to communicate with most people but anywhere between 5% and 42% of Haiti speaks French. Wide range I know, but many Haitians do in fact know and speak French. All whites/mixed/Arab Haitians will known French and they make up 5% of the population.
Educated people, people involved in business or the media in PAP will speak French.

Source:
https://www.odsef.fss.ulaval.ca/site...-lfdm-2018.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20150412...t-OIF-2014.pdf
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Canada
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You likely won't be able to communicate with most people but anywhere between 5% and 42% of Haiti speaks French. Wide range I know, but many Haitians do in fact know and speak French. All whites/mixed/Arab Haitians will known French and they make up 5% of the population.
Educated people, people involved in business or the media in PAP will speak French.

Source:
https://www.odsef.fss.ulaval.ca/site...-lfdm-2018.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20150412...t-OIF-2014.pdf
Do white Haitians, arabs and mixed folks live in a certain area of PAP?
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:26 AM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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Do white Haitians, arabs and mixed folks live in a certain area of PAP?
I'm not sure, but I imagine in Petionville, and other middle class areas along with middle/upper class blacks.
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Old 02-10-2020, 01:49 PM
 
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Neither of these options are good ideas. Haiti would be fine if other countries stopped messing with it.
Exactly, these non-Haitians need to stop spreading their misinformed opinions. Haitians don't want self-determination. Its the government, corrupt politicians and meddling core group holding the people back.
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Old 02-10-2020, 10:36 PM
 
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haiti needs to be americanized and the population growth needs to be checked with birth control
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:51 AM
 
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I agree it needs to do something about the population growth rate. For starters, it is statistically a crowded country and the people per square kilometer (or mile) statistic is from a national territory perspective. It doesn't takes into account that over 80% of the country is mountainous. That means that most of the population lives in the valleys and coastal plains which must have a much higher density than the national average. A country of that size can still accommodate its population by concentrating them in the major cities and encouraging high-rises and/or skyscrapers to house many, if not most urban dwellers. Whether high-rises are economically feasible at the average income level of most of the people is another story. Massive cities like Port-au-Prince has reach a land expansion that merits focusing on going up in the air to limit its territorial expansion and footprint. Haiti needs to control its population growth out of its own necessity. Otherwise its going to implode on itself. The current problems may take time and some may be difficult to solve, but still have a solution. Eventually, if it keeps growing with no checks and balances, there will be no solutions at all and that's a major problem.

As for becoming more Americanized, I think that is not desirable beyond copying the northern behemoth in its economic vibrancy and prosperity. Beyond that I think the Haitians love their Haitianess to even entertain for a minute the thought of changing it.

Like I said previously in this thread, anyone that suggests that Haitians should morph into something else completely and forget their culture is insane. The country can change economically and can become much calmer and more functioning politically, but it will not happen overnight. Any other changes truly depends on the will of the Haitian people and quite frankly, it goes against what they want. Chances of that happening is near zero and this is me being optimistic about it.
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