Best idea for Haiti

[ADOSwarrior]

Originally Posted by ADOSwarrior

Exactly, these non-Haitians need to stop spreading their misinformed opinions. Haitians don't want self-determination. Its the government, corrupt politicians and meddling core group holding the people back.

Aye... I meant to say Haitians WANT self-determination.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by ADOSwarrior

So yea call Haiti a **** hole all you want and claim I'm "blaming whitey" but don't dare act like those western nations don't have a personal agenda. And this is not even all I have. Anyways this entire forum needs to ****ing keep Haitians out yall mouths because most of yall dont know **** about the geopolitical situation in Haiti.


Edit:
This stupid ass thread should've been locked or deleted.

What can Haiti expect in foreign investment other then sweatshop jobs, which I bet offer options to impoverished people not available elsewhere? Certainly most of us admire the resiliency of Haitians (well maybe not some of the racist elements in the DR). They have been badly let down by their elites and their governments for many decades now. Greed, violence, corruption and neglect being what they have had to endure. As Haitians migrate elsewhere and as others get to know them positive commentaries usually follow. But Haiti itself has an image problem.

Haiti lacks stability and has a bad image. No one is going to feel obligated for what others did during the Cold War. As to US military involvement during the earthquake. Unlike most independent Caribbean nations Haiti lacks a governing infrastructure that works. Were the Haitian governing apparatus capable of handling logistics during that hectic period? It was the weaknesses of the Haitian governing structures which allow others to walk in and exploit it. The damage done by the UN "peacekeepers: being noted.

Yes I know that conditions of Haiti put a lot of stress on overseas based Haitians who always have to hear negative comments, but Haiti is really an anomaly in this hemisphere in terms of its backwardness. Look at any index of socio economic development and Haiti trails.

While it certainly had a hard beginning, being forced to pay off France, having other nations intervene, Haitians must admit that its abysmal government and the crassness, greed, and abusiveness of its elites has also played a role. Haiti and the DR started off in the same place. Both suffered extreme intervention and mischief making by US interests, yet the DR has left Haiti in the dust. Admit to this please.

When Haitians arrive into surrounding Caribbean nations in large numbers it does become the business of others. Look at The Bahamas where Haitians are now around 20% of the population. many living in conditions long abandoned by other Bahamians at least 2 generations ago.

[caribny]

Originally Posted by AntonioR

Like I said previously in this thread, anyone that suggests that Haitians should morph into something else completely and forget their culture is insane. The country can change economically and can become much calmer and more functioning politically, but it will not happen overnight. Any other changes truly depends on the will of the Haitian people and quite frankly, it goes against what they want. Chances of that happening is near zero and this is me being optimistic about it.

Not sure who is saying that Haitians must dump their culture. What people hope is that Haitians finally become blessed with governments and elites that are efficient, effective, competent, and not prone to abuse the population. Why does it take street riots and fires started by irate people for their problems to receive attention. While corruption is certainly an issue elsewhere in the Caribbean its at critical levels in Haiti as issues surrounding Petro Caribe funds indicate.

I don't know what the solution is because no one will want the responsibility of dealing with a country with no governing infrastructure and over 10 million angry people. The DR doesn't want to deal with it, and neither does Cuba or France or the USA. Jamaica and The Bahamas cannot, even if they were so inclined, due to their small size.

Yes its only the Haitian people who can fix the problem but where do they start. Every time one hopes that finally Haiti will get leadership that it badly deserves it breaks down with the usually accusations of incompetence, corruption, nepotism and abuse and neglect of the population. Its elites need to change and attempt to turnaround that nation because no one else can do so.