Californization of Arizona, where to move to? (Phoenix: deductible, costs)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

It is becoming very apparent that it is wrong to expect people to be personally responsible for any single one of their actions any more.

Which is what, I believe, the OP is actually trying to point out. I saw it coming in the C.S.S.R. decades ago and finally escaped a little over twenty.

Here on the mountain, we got a nice dumping of about a foot of snow on New Year's day. Then folks get out on the road immediately and cry because they're not all plowed. Many are also driving 40-50 mph when they shouldn't go over 30. And when they wind up in the ditch, they cry for the .gov to come save them. When a tiny forest fire starts in the spring, they cry for the .gov to shut down and seal the entire forest off.

I personally think this 'nanny state' type mentality, the .gov should look out for our every need has in fact started in places like the C.S.S.R.

Please, as if you guys have $500k just stashed away for a medical catastrophe.....

[Katera]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Please, as if you guys have $500k just stashed away for a medical catastrophe.....

They don't, but yet are the loudest to bellow at "the others" taking advantage of the system. As a provider I see it all the time. Bitching and moaning about "personal responsibility" in healthcare right up the point they get sick...or injured. Then having to face the reality of their situation, they are shocked at how fast they go broke, their family goes broke and their kids loose everything they have worked a lifetime for. I literally see it every single day.

It's all Fox and Friends until the medical bills show up...

[wase4711]

so, is your solution socialized medicine, where the government, AKA us, the taxpayers, pay the bills for everything and everybody?
or, do we focus on reigning in the run away costs of healthcare, the obscene profits that the drug companies/health insurance companies make, the billions in political contributions these scumbags continue to funnel to our elected "representatives", that keeps their money train running. or what solutions can you suggest?

"Fox and Friends " until the bill shows up???
Sarcasm and cynicism wont do any thing to help get the healthcare nightmare under control..

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Please, as if you guys have $500k just stashed away for a medical catastrophe.....

Honestly I think we have people who post on these forums just to perpetuate the myth of their imaginary self. You know the kind; totally self sufficient, young, handsome (or beautiful) millionaires who have never made a mistake in their life, paid their way through college with the proceeds from their lemonade stand from which they saved every penny from the age of 3. Got perfect grades in the worst schools, and waited to have children until they had 5 million in the bank. /yawn

[Burkmere]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Honestly I think we have people who post on these forums just to perpetuate the myth of their imaginary self. You know the kind; totally self sufficient, young, handsome (or beautiful) millionaires who have never made a mistake in their life, paid their way through college with the proceeds from their lemonade stand from which they saved every penny from the age of 3. Got perfect grades in the worst schools, and waited to have children until they had 5 million in the bank. /yawn

The point is that it's a myth that there is no cost for socialized medicine. There is. Obamacare is an abysmal failure for society as a whole.

[Burkmere]

Originally Posted by Katera

They don't, but yet are the loudest to bellow at "the others" taking advantage of the system. As a provider I see it all the time. Bitching and moaning about "personal responsibility" in healthcare right up the point they get sick...or injured. Then having to face the reality of their situation, they are shocked at how fast they go broke, their family goes broke and their kids loose everything they have worked a lifetime for. I literally see it every single day.

It's all Fox and Friends until the medical bills show up...

Providers are a huge part of the problem in many cases. Huge charges for no reason other than to perpetuate huge HMOs and the like enriching themselves. I don't suppose you are going to like this post.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

Providers are a huge part of the problem in many cases. Huge charges for no reason other than to perpetuate huge HMOs and the like enriching themselves. I don't suppose you are going to like this post.

I don't suppose a provider would. I had to have a simple x-ray done a couple of years ago. Two clicks of the shutter (x-rays), maybe ninety seconds tops, eight hundred dollars. How can one justify that?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

Providers are a huge part of the problem in many cases. Huge charges for no reason other than to perpetuate huge HMOs and the like enriching themselves. I don't suppose you are going to like this post.

And the only way to control costs is to control what we pay providers which is exactly what medicare does, if there was ever an example of socialized medicine that works it would be medicare.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by wase4711

so, is your solution socialized medicine, where the government, AKA us, the taxpayers, pay the bills for everything and everybody?
or, do we focus on reigning in the run away costs of healthcare, the obscene profits that the drug companies/health insurance companies make, the billions in political contributions these scumbags continue to funnel to our elected "representatives", that keeps their money train running. or what solutions can you suggest?

"Fox and Friends " until the bill shows up???
Sarcasm and cynicism wont do any thing to help get the healthcare nightmare under control..

You don't really understand what socialized medicine, do you? Medicare is an example of socialized medicine, payments to providers are limited and everyone over 65 is eligible for it. We could expand it to cover everyone, or adopt a system like Switzerland where everyone is required to carry health insurance but companies can't earn a profit with the basic healthcare plan, only supplemental plans.

[wase4711]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You don't really understand what socialized medicine, do you? Medicare is an example of socialized medicine, payments to providers are limited and everyone over 65 is eligible for it. We could expand it to cover everyone, or adopt a system like Switzerland where everyone is required to carry health insurance but companies can't earn a profit with the basic healthcare plan, only supplemental plans.

well, what makes you think that YOU understand what socialized medicine might be in the USA?
It doesnt matter what Switzerland,Canada,Mexico, or any other country does for their "socialized" medicine programs, it wouldnt be ANYTHING like that in the USA, if it ever even happens, and, no one here can predict or even hypothesize what that might look like here..

and, in case you didnt know, people over 65 PAY for their Medicare, its not "free" in any way,shape, or form..