Californization of Arizona, where to move to? (Phoenix: sales, lawyers)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by wase4711

well, what makes you think that YOU understand what socialized medicine might be in the USA?
It doesnt matter what Switzerland,Canada,Mexico, or any other country does for their "socialized" medicine programs, it wouldnt be ANYTHING like that in the USA, if it ever even happens, and, no one here can predict or even hypothesize what that might look like here..

and, in case you didnt know, people over 65 PAY for their Medicare, its not "free" in any way,shape, or form..

I am on medicare, the total cost is a little over $100 a month and a supplement for $350 a month that is reimbursed by my former employer. As far as it being free? That is not something that I ever claimed

[wase4711]

so, you are paying 450 per month for "socialized" medicine....hardly free...

the problem here is that until a quantum change occurs in the USA, and health care stops being a profit center for the giant drug/insurance/healthcare companies, none of this will ever improve...and, as I said before, as long as those corporations keep sending cash to our scumbag politicians, they will never force any changes on them..

[DougStark]

The topic of this discussion changed from personal liberties and gov't intrusion to the health care system of the US.

All I can say is, why can't health care providers be required to post their stinkin' prices, just like everyone else has to do? The guy who paid $800 for an x-ray could have "shopped around" for a lower price.

When I go see a doctor, for example, I have no idea what kind of bill I'm going to get in the mail (my deductible is 7K). Plain wrong.

[wase4711]

agree Doug, healthcare is one of the few industries in the world where they dont tell you what their prices are if you ask, and, they charge you based on whether they are going to *********, or your insurance provider..

here again, thank the politicians that we keep re electing...

and, no more OT for me in this thread..

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

The point is that it's a myth that there is no cost for socialized medicine. There is. Obamacare is an abysmal failure for society as a whole.

I never said that there are no costs associated with socialized medicine, did I?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by wase4711

so, you are paying 450 per month for "socialized" medicine....hardly free...

the problem here is that until a quantum change occurs in the USA, and health care stops being a profit center for the giant drug/insurance/healthcare companies, none of this will ever improve...and, as I said before, as long as those corporations keep sending cash to our scumbag politicians, they will never force any changes on them..

$450 with no copays or deductibles, complete coverage with a huge list of providers and you think that's a bad deal?

[wase4711]

nope, not at all, that is a good deal for sure..

my Obamacare premium, for horrible coverage, for MYSELF, is 1100 per month, with giant co pays and deductibles, which is a complete rip off, considering I was paying 400 per month BEFORE Obama care, for a FAMILY of 3, great coverage, no deductible, and 10 dollar co pays...Obamacare has been a curse for me and many friends of mine..

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by Hschlick84

Stay in California, fix your state. Don't change other western states to mini-California. Washington, Oregon, Colorado, and Nevada are already screwed up.

I usually keep political discussions out when it comes to ones relevant to Arizona and Phoenix, but I agree, California's liberal politicians and voters created a mess in the state and as a result, they're leaving the state in droves. As a native Arizonan, I encourage liberal Californians to stay there, we don't need your mess here.

[Burkmere]

Originally Posted by wase4711

nope, not at all, that is a good deal for sure..

my Obamacare premium, for horrible coverage, for MYSELF, is 1100 per month, with giant co pays and deductibles, which is a complete rip off, considering I was paying 400 per month BEFORE Obama care, for a FAMILY of 3, great coverage, no deductible, and 10 dollar co pays...Obamacare has been a curse for me and many friends of mine..

Yes, Obamacare is a complete ripoff. Socialism doesn't work. My premium is about the same. Was much cheaper beforehand. There is no such thing as free medical care.

[Burkmere]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

$450 with no copays or deductibles, complete coverage with a huge list of providers and you think that's a bad deal?

It' a bad deal for those of us that are subsidizing it for you. You are welcome. Can you send me the difference?