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You're correct, John3232, and I hope you don't think that I was trying to say that it's a complete non issue. I don't believe that it is a non issue, but I also don't feel a "sky is falling" effect here in Colorado, where I presently reside.
There will be many people who get high and try to drive. There will be many people who get high and refuse to get off a couch. There have in fact been more overall traffic accidents since we legalized weed here. It is true.
Sadly, there are also other effects...and I know that there will be pro pot folks who will be mad about me saying this...but my life experience with many, MANY stoners, myself included at a previous time in my life tells me that people who enjoy cannabis often also make poor life choices, it seems to me that one of the effects is less caring. It relieves stress, which we think is great, but sometimes you SHOULD be stressed. Like when calling in to work will cost you your job, and thence your housing...and so on. And it isn't just a "when under the influence" effect. It is a lifestyle effect. Whether people who do unwise things also choose to smoke weed, or weed makes people more apt to do unwise things... We had a couple leave a child in a car with their gun, while they went into a dispensary near here to buy some weed, and the child got the gun out and it ended in tragedy. Last week, I believe.
So...I really hate alcohol for a bunch of personal reasons and I definitely think it makes no sense for it to be legal when weed isn't. I even believe that if we get proper medical testing to really for sure separate fact from the pro pot crowd's propaganda, there probably is some solid medical value to cannabis. I am not strictly anti weed. But I've been annoyed for years...decades maybe...about the pro cannabis crowd's position that it's this miracle plant that only ever does good and never harm for anyone. You can't tell me there is no potential for addiction when I watched a partner choose it over food and shelter. You can't tell me that it's not part of someone ruining their life, when I've SEEN IT HAPPEN more times than I can count. I will give you that it isn't a gateway drug. Only insofar as it was illegal, and brought people into contact with dealers of harder drugs due to the black market, was it ever that in my opinion. You don't smoke weed and think, "wow, maybe heroin would be fun too!"
I just want people to be realistic. Overall I support individual liberty and decision making in this, but that doesn't mean I think that "everybody must get stoned" or that there are no concerns or possible negatives.
You clearly can't handle it. Stay away from it and stop projecting your alleged experiences onto others. It is said to be ranked below alcohol and tobacco as far as dangers to the users and others. Bark up those trees first.
You clearly can't handle it. Stay away from it and stop projecting your alleged experiences onto others. It is said to be ranked below alcohol and tobacco as far as dangers to the users and others. Bark up those trees first.
Harsh, but I agree. Correlation does not imply causation. It ain't the pot that makes you sit around all day and get high instead of going to work, it's your own lack of ambition. If it wasn't pot, it would be booze, porn or whatever. It isn't the drugs that ruined your life, it's you. Either you're motivated to succeed in this world or you're not.
I spent my entire career in high-tech, working with some brilliant engineers and scientists. Some of these guys have patents on technologies that we use every day, and guess what? Some of them liked to smoke pot. They'd go on the roof of the building at the end of the work day, get high, and then go back and work all night.
They didn't smoke weed to get through the day. They did it because it was fun, and it also changes the way your brain works allowing you to see problems a different way. Looking at a problem with the same frame of mind every day leads to blockages and a stale approach. Take a break, smoke some weed, and suddenly you're looking at things an entirely different way which can lead to some amazing revelations and breakthroughs. That absolutely does not happen with alcohol. Alcohol only dulls, never sharpens. Weed can help you become more creative. There's a reason that pot is the drug of choice for people who create things for a living.
I don't think that smoking pot per se makes you more creative. But it's the synergism of working on the same thing both high and straight that expands your creativity. It's sort of like having a committee of two people collaborating on the same project, only with different approaches. You get much more creative solutions, art, music, or whatever it is that you create.
That's why I said that I don't know if this leads to that, or that leads to this...I have noted a correlation. I don't know if there is a chicken/egg effect. I've just known a CRAP. TON. of stoners who...lazy isn't even the right word for it. Just don't care about consequences.
And it is not just that "he's just like that"...not when I've known those who get off it for some years and accomplish a lot, get back to smoking daily and go back into "I don't care what happens if I don't work."
Had an ex husband who, when we were young and struggling, and we didn't have money for rent or food, he got paid for a job he did and insisted on buying weed with it instead. I argued that I was hungry and wanted to get groceries and he said, "If you don't let me get weed, I can't make any guarantees that I can treat you in a way you'll like."
Does that guy have tons of problems way beyond weed? Oh HELL yes. Did weed add a new dimension to the problems that existed? Also, yes.
(That is just one of many, many examples. Dozens. Not to mention how actual stoners used to make actual movies with all that ha ha nudge nudge joking about what weed is known to do to people. Cheech & Chong were not sober dudes making up lies about stoners.)
This right here, though, is kinda my point.
Even though I said I think that it should be LEGAL and that people should have the CHOICE to use it or not in their lives, just pointing out that I've seen situations where I think it's caused harm is enough to make people jump to its defense.
Tellin' me to "bark up the tree" of alcohol or tobacco first, man you can stick your whataboutisms, I already said I hate alcohol and think it's far worse than weed. Sheesh. I just don't buy that pot is magical miracle medicine that never has a negative effect. I think people need to, in particular, LISTEN to those who are close to them, in their actual lives...parents, siblings, roommates, partners, what have you...if those people tell them, "I think you have a problem." And yet, people who enjoy cannabis regularly tend not to, they get as defensive as anyone here is getting if someone says they've got an issue.
"Pick your poison" between alcohol and weed? I'll do neither. And I have more fun than anyone I know does drunk or stoned, thanks. I've found better ways to enjoy my life than I ever did when I used to smoke weed...though I'll admit I do miss LSD. That was a good time. I don't have time for it anymore but I sometimes wish I did.
Most significantly to me though, is that the war on drugs and incarcerating people over them, especially cannabis, has caused VAAAASSSTLY more harm than pot ever did to anybody. And! If the country chills out about weed, maybe we can really start growing hemp and doing all of the awesome things I understand can be done with that.
That's why I said that I don't know if this leads to that, or that leads to this...I have noted a correlation. I don't know if there is a chicken/egg effect. I've just known a CRAP. TON. of stoners who...lazy isn't even the right word for it. Just don't care about consequences.
And it is not just that "he's just like that"...not when I've known those who get off it for some years and accomplish a lot, get back to smoking daily and go back into "I don't care what happens if I don't work."
Had an ex husband who, when we were young and struggling, and we didn't have money for rent or food, he got paid for a job he did and insisted on buying weed with it instead. I argued that I was hungry and wanted to get groceries and he said, "If you don't let me get weed, I can't make any guarantees that I can treat you in a way you'll like."
Does that guy have tons of problems way beyond weed? Oh HELL yes. Did weed add a new dimension to the problems that existed? Also, yes.
(That is just one of many, many examples. Dozens. Not to mention how actual stoners used to make actual movies with all that ha ha nudge nudge joking about what weed is known to do to people. Cheech & Chong were not sober dudes making up lies about stoners.)
This right here, though, is kinda my point.
Even though I said I think that it should be LEGAL and that people should have the CHOICE to use it or not in their lives, just pointing out that I've seen situations where I think it's caused harm is enough to make people jump to its defense.
Tellin' me to "bark up the tree" of alcohol or tobacco first, man you can stick your whataboutisms, I already said I hate alcohol and think it's far worse than weed. Sheesh. I just don't buy that pot is magical miracle medicine that never has a negative effect. I think people need to, in particular, LISTEN to those who are close to them, in their actual lives...parents, siblings, roommates, partners, what have you...if those people tell them, "I think you have a problem." And yet, people who enjoy cannabis regularly tend not to, they get as defensive as anyone here is getting if someone says they've got an issue.
"Pick your poison" between alcohol and weed? I'll do neither. And I have more fun than anyone I know does drunk or stoned, thanks. I've found better ways to enjoy my life than I ever did when I used to smoke weed...though I'll admit I do miss LSD. That was a good time. I don't have time for it anymore but I sometimes wish I did.
Most significantly to me though, is that the war on drugs and incarcerating people over them, especially cannabis, has caused VAAAASSSTLY more harm than pot ever did to anybody. And! If the country chills out about weed, maybe we can really start growing hemp and doing all of the awesome things I understand can be done with that.
Just because someone has a couple of drinks or smokes a joint or two every night of the week doesn't necessarily mean they have a problem. But I get what you're saying. The key question is can that person go without? If they are invited to a dinner or house party where won't be any booze/pot will they still feel comfortable? Or will they do like I did which was get loaded before arriving.
I'm just past 60 years of age and can see what happened to those I have known for over 40 years who continued to get stoned regularly and/or drink excessively. They never found themselves arrested nor did they ever end up homeless. They just never did much in their prime years. Never really tried anything.
Although I had a friend who died in his mid-forties. An alcoholic who cloaked to death on his own vomit. Nice man that was well liked. Never ugly when drunk... but he's dead nonetheless.
Although I had a friend who died in his mid-forties. An alcoholic who cloaked to death on his own vomit. Nice man that was well liked. Never ugly when drunk... but he's dead nonetheless
Sadly, that's what killed singer Bon Scott of AC/DC in 1980. Though his was a combination of two things that caused his death. He choked on his own vomit then froze to death. Whoever saw him outside in distress decided to put him in his car. They may or may not have lowered the driver's seat down, that fact wasn't part of the story I read.
But who puts a drunk in distress in a car when it's freezing outside? Come on, people! Talk about having a pea for a brain. Gone went Bon Scott, when his band was at the top of their popularity. Their popular album 'Highway to Hell' was released on July 27, 1979, and Bon Scott perished on February 19, 1980.
People, pot is safer than marijuana, but really, when you combine alcohol and pot you're really getting stoned. Be careful. It's not only in keeping with the law but so much safer for you if you stay off of both of these while you're under the influence under either one of these two drugs.
Although I had a friend who died in his mid-forties. An alcoholic who cloaked to death on his own vomit. Nice man that was well liked. Never ugly when drunk... but he's dead nonetheless
Sadly, that's what killed singer Bon Scott of AC/DC in 1980. Though his was a combination of two things that caused his death. He choked on his own vomit then froze to death. Whoever saw him outside in distress decided to put him in his car. They may or may not have lowered the driver's seat down, that fact wasn't part of the story I read.
But who puts a drunk in distress in a car when it's freezing outside? Come on, people! Talk about having a pea for a brain. Gone went Bon Scott, when his band was at the top of their popularity. Their popular album 'Highway to Hell' was released on July 27, 1979, and Bon Scott perished on February 19, 1980.
People, pot is safer than marijuana, but really, when you combine alcohol and pot you're really getting stoned. Be careful. It's not only in keeping with the law but so much safer for you if you stay off of both of these while you're under the influence under either one of these two drugs.
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