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Old 11-01-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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But just because you return to a population level of the past, your age distribution is very different. Right now Japan has the same population as it did in 2001. By 2050 it will have the same population as it did in 1972. But the demography of 2050 Japan will be radically different than 1972 Japan.
that's the key.
Don't understand why people would think a reduced population would actually enhance quality of life especially over a quarter of the population is above 65
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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that's the key.
Don't understand why people would think a reduced population would actually enhance quality of life especially over a quarter of the population is above 65
It's called a balancing act. Besides, Japan is a society that doesn't kick its old people to the curb like ours. Which means that is less strain on the pension system. Besides, the only problem is just that, a strain on the pension system. otherwise, there isn't much of a problem. Nothing that families couldn't handle
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:23 AM
 
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Are you kidding?
The entire US population can live comfortably in California without feeling crowded. How much of CA's land is actually inhabited by people?

When you say "quality of life", you mean mostly a big house and a completely car-centric lifestyle, right? If gas price goes up to Denmark level, there goes your "quality of life".
This is not a debate about density versus car-centric lifestyles. Tell me how the quaity of life in Japan, California, or Denmark would be enhanced if 400 million people lived in any of those places. And you're not allowed to spread them out evenly over the land surface - that's not how the real world works.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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It's called a balancing act. Besides, Japan is a society that doesn't kick its old people to the curb like ours. Which means that is less strain on the pension system. Besides, the only problem is just that, a strain on the pension system. otherwise, there isn't much of a problem. Nothing that families couldn't handle
Perhaps you are objecting to the OP's characterization of the population change as a crisis. I think that is a fair assessment that a crisis is not the correct word.

But to say there will not be a problem because families are tighter might be an oversimplification as well.
By the year 2050, the overall population will have decreased by 16%, and the median age (already the oldest in the world) will have increased by a decade to the late 50's. Family care may break down under too much strain.

And the ancient question of international warfare and wants between the haves and the have nots. Will these aging wealthy societies with well developed infrastructure be belittled by countries with much younger populations. Japan was in the top 5 of ranking by population in 1950, and is estimated to be ranked #17 by the year 2050.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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It's called a balancing act. Besides, Japan is a society that doesn't kick its old people to the curb like ours. Which means that is less strain on the pension system. Besides, the only problem is just that, a strain on the pension system. otherwise, there isn't much of a problem. Nothing that families couldn't handle
That I partly agree with.

Asia countries rely more on family ties, which makes more sense. In western culture, it suddenly becomes taxpayers the duty to care for the old.
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Old 11-01-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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Asia countries rely more on family ties, which makes more sense. In western culture, it suddenly becomes taxpayers the duty to care for the old.
In many ways Japan's situation is hardly unique. Many smaller countries like Ukraine are already down 14% from their peak population 20 years ago, and are projected to be down 35.3% from peak by the year 2050.

Even though the percent loss of population will be much higher in Ukraine than in Japan, the median age will still be lower. Japan is projected to have roughly 18% of the population over age 80, while Ukraine will have only 9% of the population over age 80. Projections obviously assume that better diet, health care, will prevail in Japan when compared to the Ukraine.

There also may be some changes in attitude. Russia has radically altered it's huge decline in population in the last few years as economic conditions have improved.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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The Russian decline of years past had a lot to do with the vodka and boozing of the Russian males. Glad they've found better use of their time.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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he chose NZ probably because it WAS an option at that time?
You can't just choose to move to Japan if you want to. Japan hardly accepts immigrants unless you marry a Japanese.
Yep, exactly it was the option of the time, probably because they speak English in New Zealand. Later people move to all kind of places, but thats after you have gotten comfortable. For a young chinese person, just like him they will go to New Zealand instead of Japan.

Also, it is not that hard to move to Japan. You can easily go to Japan to study, and if you find a good job it is not hard to stay.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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Yep, exactly it was the option of the time, probably because they speak English in New Zealand. Later people move to all kind of places, but thats after you have gotten comfortable. For a young chinese person, just like him they will go to New Zealand instead of Japan.

Also, it is not that hard to move to Japan. You can easily go to Japan to study, and if you find a good job it is not hard to stay.
I never wanted to live in New Zealand and to be honest looking at the unemployment and also the cost of flying to Hong Kong is so costly but if I lived in Japan,I would easily be able to go to Hong Kong yearly
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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I never wanted to live in New Zealand and to be honest looking at the unemployment and also the cost of flying to Hong Kong is so costly but if I lived in Japan,I would easily be able to go to Hong Kong yearly
So you never wanted to live in New Zealand, but you still moved to New Zealand over Japan. You could have moved to Japan anytime, but you never did.

Kinda proves my point. Even you who did not want to go to New Zealand still went to New Zealand and lived there for 19 years. And there are plenty of Chinese who prefer New Zealand over Japan.
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