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1. The tribunal did not decide on which island belongs to which country. They ruled that these islands are all just rocks, so China's claim on SCS is therefore invalid. Same for Taiwan's but well we don't act like an insufferable sob.
2. The Philippines has a bilateral defence treaty with America and it's extremely strategic, Ukraine is not.
3. SCS became a deal because China decided to take a series of hostile actions. Before that everyone just agreed to disagree and while occasional bicker happened from time to time, the situation never escalated. For whatever reason China seemed to think that it didn't have enough enemies, then the whole thing became a ****fest like it is today.
1) the tribunal is pretending that it somehow being impartial or has any authority over international affairs. Think about it, does it? It is like the UN or IMF, and nothing is fair.
2) bilateral defense. you mean in some circumstances the Philippines will protect the US too? Why not just admit just like Saudi Arabia, the Philippines simply agrees to be a minion of the US in return for protection. Bilateral defense treaty? It almost sounds the two countries are equal. Why not say it is a protectorate to save some time.
3) Of course I know what China has been doing is unreasonable, to claim it owns 90% of the SCS. It has a long term plan, and the SCS is an important part of the plan (mostly to secure energy supply). Is it worse than the US removing and planting regimes in the middle east (and Latin America) to secure its own energy supply and dollar hegemony? No really. It is the same game.
The world is not fair, and we are pretending we play some just rules... that's fine, it just disgusts me that a bunch of international organizations pretend they have some sort of moral high ground when they never hesitate to ditch those principles when they don't suit their own national interest.
Last edited by botticelli; 07-12-2016 at 01:11 PM..
1) the tribunal is pretending that it somehow being impartial or has any authority over international affairs. Think about it, does it? It is like the UN or IMF, and nothing is fair.
None of the judges were from one of the parties, there was no sign of corruption of bribery, and there was no conflict of interests (how could there be any anyways). That's the legal definition of impartiality, and this tribunal fit all the criteria.
And China acceded itself to the UNCLOS, which means that China basically agreed that the tribunal has authority over international affairs on the ocean.
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2) bilateral defense. you mean in some circumstances the Philippines will protect the US too? Why not just admit just like Saudi Arabia, the Philippines simply agrees to be a minion of the US in return for protection. Bilateral defense treaty? It almost sounds the two countries are equal. Why not say it is a protectorate to save some time.
What does the US help the Philippines? Because it serves well as a tool. I have respect for countries like Russia or even Syria, but none whatsoever for the Philippines. It is just a completely failed state willingly acting a complete puppet yet pretending to be a dignified country.
The point here is that America would not abandon the Philippines because the situation and geopolitics in the Western Pacific are completely different from that of Eastern Europe, not whether the Philippines is a worthy ally or deserves your respect.
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3) Of course I know what China has been doing is unreasonable, to claim it owns 90% of the SCS. It has a long term plan, and the SCS is an important part of the plan (mostly to secure energy supply). Is it worse than the US removing and planting regimes in the middle east (and Latin America) to secure its own energy supply and dollar hegemony? No really. It is the same game.
The world is not fair, and we are pretending we play some just rules... that's fine, it just disgusts me that a bunch of international organizations pretend they have some sort of moral high ground when they never hesitate to ditch those principles when they don't suit their own national interest.
Just because America did or does something nasty doesn't mean it justifiable for China to do the same thing. It's about as valid as a murderer arguing that there are other murderers out there.
And international organisations ditch what principles when they don't suit whose national interest? I have no idea what you are talking about here.
Last edited by Greysholic; 07-12-2016 at 01:33 PM..
Just like the Iraq war (or bombing Yugoslavia) is illegal, China claiming 90% of SCS is illegal too. Israel (or any countries outside US/RU/CN/FR/GB) developing nuclear weapon is against international laws too. Was it sanctioned?
But what can you do about it. We all know big powers are above the so called "international law". Those who are liked by big powers get a free pass too.
What will the US/western countries do? Invade? economic sanction? or just talk? I suggest Western countries to confiscate all the assets owned by non-resident PRC citizens in their countries (basically rich Chinese' overseas asset), including financial, real estate and everything. Far more effective than economic sanction, which will only hurt the average people.
Last edited by botticelli; 07-12-2016 at 01:45 PM..
^They won't do anything because it's none of their business, they could not care less.
This ruling is binding but it cannot possibly be enforced. It's basically just a confirmation of how China's claim is total bull**** and it sets precedent. It does make China very angry as the result is humiliating, and doing nothing would probably hinder XDD's strong man image so he probably is having a headache now.
Last edited by Greysholic; 07-12-2016 at 02:00 PM..
There won't be sanctions, the ruling is not binding.
It just makes China lose face, and China hates losing face.
Maybe, but China won't care too much.The US certainly didn't when the same court ruled against it in 1986(?) when it was mining Nicaraguan ports. Why should China care? Only weak countries hide behind conventions and court rulings. Powerful countries do what they want.
^They won't do anything because it's none of their business, they could not care less.
This ruling is binding but it cannot possibly be enforced. It's basically just a confirmation of how China's claim is total bull**** and it sets precedent. It does make China very angry as the result is humiliating, and doing nothing would probably hinder XDD's strong man image so he probably is having a headache now.
Your beloved taiwan also lost its Taiping Island status because that island is now officially just a reef, according to the ruling. which then cannot claim any 12 miles exclusion zone or economic zone. While China will continue to do whatever it wants and give the court the finger because it's a big dog, little taiwan, which is carrying the legacy of the ROC (whose claim is exactly the same as the current claim by China's 9 dash line by the way) cannot do anything about being screwed.
The US does not seem to have a problem with its allies occupying Northern Cyprus, Western Sahara, and the Golan Heights; all of which are considered to be illegal under international law.
ICJ ruled against Japan in its whaling case and it certainly hasn't stopped them from whaling. Nothing is going to happen here at all since there is no enforcement mechanism.
much of the world don't care about whales but the littoral states around SCS and a superpower cares about open sea lanes. so everytime the US ships will pass those artificial islands, China could not do anything coz they are considered international waters and it will be loss of face everytime they do that
More important, I don't know what the Philippines is up to.
its their EEZ, lots of poor fishermen get their livelihood over that area and suddenly you say thats ours? are you kidding me?
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