Ten Point Plan for Atlantic Station (Atlanta, Decatur: condo, homes, tax)
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Atlanta/Many Atlantans have a very irrational attitude towards nightlife, nightclubs, and bars.
And it is the vibrancy/dynamism of this great city that ends up being the ultimate loser.
That's not true at all. Atlanta has long welcomed nightlife, nightclubs and bars. Many of them have been virtual institutions and have been known far and wide. Atlantans have always embraced vibrancy and dynamism.
That's not at all what people object to. What people object to is rowdyism, violence and disrespect of their neighborhoods.
The idea that "dynamic nightlife" and "partying" and "the urban experience" are somehow synonymous with late night cruising with loud stereos, shooting and stabbing people, trashing the streets, loud cursing, selling drugs, etc., is a truly bizarre redneck notion. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with creating or fostering urban environments or big league, polished, livable cities. To the contrary, it's directly destructive of cities and urban living.
If someone can explain how things like late night cruising, loud stereos, fights, shootings, trashing the streets, loud cursing, selling drugs, and public urination are good for cities, I'd like to hear it.
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You go girl! Score those brownie points.
Honest question: Do you go places where you know there is a chance you'd get shot? I didn't think so.
These are private owners who can do whatever the f they want with their property. They are tying to turn around a failed development are simply acknowledging the realities. You should be grateful for their investment. Would you rather them pretend like nothing was wrong and let the place go under?
Besides, I'm sure you can really relate to the owners of AS. After all, St. Simons and Druid Hills are so dangerous.
Oh, are we going to get personal, SLWB? No judgment call on my part; I simply picked up on the msg that they were trying to convey. And if you knew anything about my POV, you would know that I am completely simpatica to the plight of property owners in AS and don't blame them one bit for trying to improve the situation. So back off, fire up a few brain cells and try to understand where people in this forum are coming from (our posting histories are all there at the touch of a keystroke) instead of having your predictable knee jerk reaction to anything that doesn't resemble a slice of Merita bread.
I would bet the well-heeled denizens of Buckhead would say that the giant unifinished development sitting there looking like crap for years is better than what was there. Just guessing...
Yes b/c white collar crime is acceptable compared to people shooting in the streets.It's not like those well-heeled denizens were partying in Buckhead Village anyway.
While I agree crime (mostly the shootings) got worse to the police credit they really amplified their presence.
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Like it or hate it, you're right, that's the way it went down. Can ya really blame the neighbors for wanting to clean up their neighborhood? It's a shame, really, back in the 80s and early 90s the Village was a fun place to be. But it simply got out of hand. And, no, "code" has / had nothing to do with it.
What a lot of these Buckhead residents don't know is exactly how this happened so let me tell you.
Buckhead village was mostly a young white party area and most of the young black kids hung around downtown, especially a club called the 559 which was on Ashby Street near the AUC. To be completely honest most nights it was chaos in the entire area, damn near lawlessness. Shootings, robberies, you name it it happened. It wasn't in the news b/c it was in an undesirable area near Bankhead, not Buckhead. There simply was no fuss, no headlines for all the crime that happened here.
Well one night a fire broke out and the 559 burned down and the owner never rebuilt it. All these young kids had nowhere to go and seemingly overnight, they started going to Buckhead village. Most cruised around the 559 and didn't enter the club so they actually did the same here, cruised instead of walked.
And everything changed.
Buckhead residents probably had no idea what the hell happened and why the influx of people started to come here. Well that is the story, it was the Club 559. Since this area was Buckhead, the people were now under a microscope compared to the dilapidated area around the 559. Residents were not going to stand for this garbage!
It is sad that there were those shootings/violence and the area changed. I MISS THAT RAY'S PIZZA!!!
Relating it to A/S its nothing like either, A/S is A/S and IMO seems pretty damn tame to me.
Yes b/c white collar crime is acceptable compared to people shooting in the streets.It's not like those well-heeled denizens were partying in Buckhead Village anyway.
While I agree crime (mostly the shootings) got worse to the police credit they really amplified their presence.
What a lot of these Buckhead residents don't know is exactly how this happened so let me tell you.
Buckhead village was mostly a young white party area and most of the young black kids hung around downtown, especially a club called the 559 which was on Ashby Street near the AUC. To be completely honest most nights it was chaos in the entire area, damn near lawlessness. Shootings, robberies, you name it it happened. It wasn't in the news b/c it was in an undesirable area near Bankhead, not Buckhead. There simply was no fuss, no headlines for all the crime that happened here.
Well one night a fire broke out and the 559 burned down and the owner never rebuilt it. All these young kids had nowhere to go and seemingly overnight, they started going to Buckhead village. Most cruised around the 559 and didn't enter the club so they actually did the same here, cruised instead of walked.
And everything changed.
Buckhead residents probably had no idea what the hell happened and why the influx of people started to come here. Well that is the story, it was the Club 559. Since this area was Buckhead, the people were now under a microscope compared to the dilapidated area around the 559. Residents were not going to stand for this garbage!
It is sad that there were those shootings/violence and the area changed. I MISS THAT RAY'S PIZZA!!!
Relating it to A/S its nothing like either, A/S is A/S and IMO seems pretty damn tame to me.
And I miss the old Steamhouse Lounge, Peachtree Cafe, etc. Great places. But, ya can't blame the Buckhead residents for wanting to calm down the scene, Club 559 or otherwise. And, ya know, even I would prefer white collar crime to being shot. Ouch!
And I miss the old Steamhouse Lounge, Peachtree Cafe, etc. Great places. But, ya can't blame the Buckhead residents for wanting to calm down the scene, Club 559 or otherwise. And, ya know, even I would prefer white collar crime to being shot. Ouch!
lmfao, not if you lost a substantial amount of cash, its like being shot 10 times
If they moved swiftly to fix Buckhead Village and the development was done years ago as planned, well no one could get to mad that they wanted to replace clubs with high end stores etc.
Today what we have is an ugly eyesore, a closed ESPN zone and residents who think it was just to get rid of clubs with no plan.
I just hope they don't rush to fix it and give this prime real estate and area the development it deserves.
lmfao, not if you lost a substantial amount of cash, its like being shot 10 times
If they moved swiftly to fix Buckhead Village and the development was done years ago as planned, well no one could get to mad that they wanted to replace clubs with high end stores etc.
Today what we have is an ugly eyesore, a closed ESPN zone and residents who think it was just to get rid of clubs with no plan.
I just hope they don't rush to fix it and give this prime real estate and area the development it deserves.
We can all agree with you on that (well not that first sentence!!!! )
That's not true at all. Atlanta has long welcomed nightlife, nightclubs and bars. Many of them have been virtual institutions and have been known far and wide. Atlantans have always embraced vibrancy and dynamism.
That's not at all what people object to. What people object to is rowdyism, violence and disrespect of their neighborhoods.
The idea that "dynamic nightlife" and "partying" and "the urban experience" are somehow synonymous with late night cruising with loud stereos, shooting and stabbing people, trashing the streets, loud cursing, selling drugs, etc., is a truly bizarre redneck notion. None of that has anything whatsoever to do with creating or fostering urban environments or big league, polished, livable cities. To the contrary, it's directly destructive of cities and urban living.
If someone can explain how things like late night cruising, loud stereos, fights, shootings, trashing the streets, loud cursing, selling drugs, and public urination are good for cities, I'd like to hear it.
Brother Arjay,
Yes, Atlanta has traditionally embraced vibrancy and dynamism. But not since 2004.
I never mentioned anything about late-night cruising, shootings, etc.
Other posters have mentioned what Atlanta needs to do to ensure a vibrant nightlife (increase police patrols, etc.). Shutting down clubs is not one of them.
The items you remarked about in your last paragraph are not synonymous with a vibrant nightlife--or with having nightclubs. I have lived, worked, and traveled extensively abroad and here in the U.S. For many of us, it is not hard to imagine what Atlanta needs to do to have a dynamic nightlife. Unfortunately, provincial, non-worldly attitudes will keep holding this city back.
Yes, Atlanta has traditionally embraced vibrancy and dynamism. But not since 2004.
I never mentioned anything about late-night cruising, shootings, etc.
Other posters have mentioned what Atlanta needs to do to ensure a vibrant nightlife (increase police patrols, etc.). Shutting down clubs is not one of them.
The items you remarked about in your last paragraph are not synonymous with a vibrant nightlife--or with having nightclubs. I have lived, worked, and traveled extensively abroad and here in the U.S. For many of us, it is not hard to imagine what Atlanta needs to do to have a dynamic nightlife. Unfortunately, provincial, non-worldly attitudes will keep holding this city back.
Maybe I'm just too old to "get it", but why are all those things arjay noted as as, well, distasteful (for lack of a better word), necessary for a vibrant nightlife? Just what is a vibrant nightlife? My guess is that "vibrant" means something different to different people (my idea of vibrant is watching House Hunters International at 10.00 pm without falling asleep...). But seriously, why must vibrant be something that requires extra police????? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Why is it that when we enter into a conversation about Buckhead on this forum class envy and the same old tired stereotypes about who lives there inevitably enter the conversation?
Why is it that when we enter into a conversation about Buckhead on this forum class envy and the same old tired stereotypes about who lives there inevitably enter the conversation?
Because, LovinDecatur, those folks live there. I think you answered your own question. Drive a short distance from the Village, and you'll see the multi-million homes on large lots. There are people that live there. It's not a stereotype. It's reality. Those are many of the folks that mold and nurture Atlanta's businesses, that donate very, very much to Atlanta causes (including parks, aquariums, real estate developments, etc.). Those are largely the folks that have economically built this city and still control its industry. For that reason, they are important, and thus must be a part of the conversation.
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It's not like those well-heeled denizens were partying in Buckhead Village anyway. 
. There simply was no fuss, no headlines for all the crime that happened here. 
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