Economist publication names Atlanta most livable city in U.S. (Dallas: ranked, cities)

[2Easy]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

It's still one of, if not THE most trafficked zone in the LA basin so traffic heading there will be bad.

I posted examples above. But you can pull out a map and just see from random spots how long it takes to get somewhere. Right now on a free flowing Sunday in both places, the suburb to suburb traffic is significantly longer in Atlanta at similar distances when compared to greater LA.

It is low density precisely due to its layout, in large part the infrastructure design. It could still be as low dense as it is, but be easier to get to point A to B and not take as long. Personally I think it's a big hazard to always see USPS or dump trucks try to do their jobs on the side of these busy country roads. With more growth, I believe the problem will get worse.

I think that we agree 90% on Atlanta, less so on LA.

It will be interesting to see if and how Atlanta figures out its roadway infrastructure issues. Or maybe it doesn't because I can't see a fix.

[testa50]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

I posted examples above. But you can pull out a map and just see from random spots how long it takes to get somewhere. Right now on a free flowing Sunday in both places, the suburb to suburb traffic is significantly longer in Atlanta at similar distances when compared to greater LA.

This is only really true of suburbs that are significantly OTP yet are in sorta the same direction, which happens to be true of the routes you picked.

Marietta to Roswell, or Newnan to McDonough, are examples of difficult, annoying drives. But Marietta to Newnan or Roswell to McDonough are quite direct via expressways, and parts of the journeys have multiple route options.

For most people, your concern is just not that big of a deal. Most of Atlanta’s “stuff” is near the perimeter, and is thus pretty accessible from all suburbs. The airport, the business districts, most of the entertainment areas, etc, are pretty darned accessible to everything. I don’t think Atlanta’s shortcoming you’re emphasizing so much (lacking an outer loop, basically) is anywhere near important enough to put its traffic concerns on the level of LA. LA is massively more spread out than Atlanta, not just its people but also its business areas, entertainment areas, and things to see and do.

I spent maybe 2 cumulative weeks in SoCal in 2021, but during that time I was in two traffic jams worse than anything I’ve had in Atlanta in a couple years. In the real world, there’s just no comparing the two.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by testa50

This is only really true of suburbs that are significantly OTP yet are in sorta the same direction, which happens to be true of the routes you picked.

Marietta to Roswell, or Newnan to McDonough, are examples of difficult, annoying drives. But Marietta to Newnan or Roswell to McDonough are quite direct via expressways, and parts of the journeys have multiple route options.

For most people, your concern is just not that big of a deal. Most of Atlanta’s “stuff” is near the perimeter, and is thus pretty accessible from all suburbs. The airport, the business districts, most of the entertainment areas, etc, are pretty darned accessible to everything. I don’t think Atlanta’s shortcoming you’re emphasizing so much (lacking an outer loop, basically) is anywhere near important enough to put its traffic concerns on the level of LA. LA is massively more spread out than Atlanta, not just its people but also its business areas, entertainment areas, and things to see and do.

I spent maybe 2 cumulative weeks in SoCal in 2021, but during that time I was in two traffic jams worse than anything I’ve had in Atlanta in a couple years. In the real world, there’s just no comparing the two.

In the real world, there is plenty of suburb to suburb traffic. Many people go to the perimeter because there is no other way. If it wasnt a big deal there wouldnt be multiple proposals on ways to fix it. No one said LA traffic is lighter than Atlanta traffic. What was said is it is easier moving around LA during non heavy traffic times than Atlanta because the infrastructure is better. No one has disproved that. It is also way more than just an outer loop and I gave those examples.

The traffic concerns are different. LA is spread out but densely. If it was spread out at Atlanta level density, could you imagine the traffic nightmares then? So although Atlanta is not near LA's size, it is still approaching 7 million people which is getting closer to the population of LA County.

Edit: and I personally think it's the infrastructure/road design thats the reason Georgia is top 10 in accident fatality rate

[Citykid3785]

Originally Posted by ShenardL

I don't think Atlanta is isolated at all. I drove to Chicago, New Orleans, Orlando, Charlotte, and Nashville. Some of the cities several times. Quick flights to NYC, Miami, Dallas, Boston, Philly, DC, and Houston. And the epicenter of the population will continually shift towards the south.

Agreed. Having come from the Twin Cities, Atlanta does not feel isolated at all. There’s basically a decent sized city within 2 hrs in every direction

[2Easy]

Right now at 3:52pm on a Monday:

Smyrna to Buckhead- 10 miles in 20 minutes
Buckhead to Smyrna - 10 miles in 20 minutes

Sandy Springs to Smyrna - 11 miles in 28 minutes
Smyrna to Sandy Springs - 13 miles in 28 minutes

I think that I see what’s happening and what’s being discussed. There are very limited ways to get from place to place and sometimes the quickest route will add several miles.

[2Easy]

4pm

Buckhead to Decatur - 12 miles in 38 min
Decatur to Buckhead - 10 miles in 33 min

These times don’t seem bad for almost rush hour.

[BrooklynJo]

Originally Posted by 2020's YouTube Vlog

NYC offers great leisure amenities but basic quality of life aspects of NYC are horrible unless you are a multi-millionaire.

It is a good place for making money or spending money (for leisure as a tourist), but not great for living.

You need to be a multi-millionaire to live in nyc?

What exactly do people like you get out of making lies on the internet. Is it a way to cope with your insecurity?

You do not need to be a multi millionaire to live in any American city Lmao.

In reality I think someone who makes 200K a year in nyc as a single adult would live fine.

[ShenardL]

Originally Posted by BrooklynJo

You need to be a multi-millionaire to live in nyc?

What exactly do people like you get out of making lies on the internet. Is it a way to cope with your insecurity?

You do not need to be a multi millionaire to live in any American city Lmao.

In reality I think someone who makes 200K a year in nyc as a single adult would live fine.

Sure, if you want to live in a cramped apartment or with a roommate. It's hard to do that in Manhattan unless you live outside of Manhattan and want to commute.

[Truth11]

Wonder what perks Atlanta gave them to say that;

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by Truth11

Wonder what perks Atlanta gave them to say that;

Try none. In case you're not aware, the Economist is a widely respected London based publication. Interesting that your city didn't make the list...