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What did we steal? There was nothing here to begin with. White Australians built this country therefore we make the rules and no one else. Every country exists cause of war and conquest. That's just history. Jazz a cultural achievement? Don't get me started on racism.
Yes, what a great country, built on genocide... It was the Aborigines' land, regardless of what they did or did not do with it or on it.
Yes, indeed, Jazz is a cultural achievement, like classical music centuries ago in Europe.
Oh sorry, I forgot Kylie Minogue
Yes, what a great country, built on genocide... It was the Aborigines' land, regardless of what they did or did not do with it or on it.
Yes, indeed, Jazz is a cultural achievement, like classical music centuries ago in Europe.
Oh sorry, I forgot Kylie Minogue
If there was an intention of genocide there wouldn't be any Aborigines today. You don't know much about history from the looks of it. Their claim to this continent is as good as a kangaroo's. Land is nothing if you don't develop it.
Classical music > Jazz
If there was an intention of genocide there wouldn't be any Aborigines today. You don't know much about history from the looks of it. Their claim to this continent is as good as a kangaroo's. Land is nothing if you don't develop it.
Classical music > Jazz
Ok, attempted genocide. Didn't quite work out as planned, just like in the States.
Your idea of land is odd. When someone owns land, it is their business whether they do something with it, and if so, what. Your reasoning is like saying anyone can take my money away because I have not bought anything with it, yet
Jazz was certainly influenced by classical music, but just as much if not more so by African music that was still present in the US thanks to the African-Americans. Anyway, it was developed in the States. There would be no Jazz without the US. That was my point. Maybe Australia would have developed culture, too, if it had not been such a boring white country from the beginning. It is like a bigger version of North Dakota
Ok, attempted genocide. Didn't quite work out as planned, just like in the States.
Your idea of land is odd. When someone owns land, it is their business whether they do something with it, and if so, what. Your reasoning is like saying anyone can take my money away because I have not bought anything with it, yet
Jazz was certainly influenced by classical music, but just as much if not more so by African music that was still present in the US thanks to the African-Americans. Anyway, it was developed in the States. There would be no Jazz without the US. That was my point. Maybe Australia would have developed culture, too, if it had not been such a boring white country from the beginning. It is like a bigger version of North Dakota
If the English wanted to wipe out the Aborigines they could of easily done so.
Aborigines didn't own land and had no concept of Australia as continental entity. It would be more correct to say that they belonged to the "Dreamtime". Either way they're claim to this place is null.
Jazz is fine but its not the greatest thing out there. There is more to culture then just music. Would you say that Japan, China or Vietnam is boring cause they're just populated by Asians? If we're a "boring white country" then the coloured hordes of the world wouldn't be risking their lives to come here.
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Interesting. The Portuguese lecturing about colonisation.
Neuling did not kill natives in Brazil, did he?
It's all of our duty as human beings to criticise the wrongs of the past regardless of what our ancestors did.
A lesson Johnny should have learned. I'm sick of this, 'but I didn't personally do it to them' attitude. Our farms and houses are built on the hunting grounds of aborigines, giving it back may be going too far but the least we can do is acknowledge we took it from them.
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If the English wanted to wipe out the Aborigines they could of easily done so.
Aborigines didn't own land and had no concept of Australia as continental entity. It would be more correct to say that they belonged to the "Dreamtime". Either way they're claim to this place is null.
Jazz is fine but its not the greatest thing out there. There is more to culture then just music. Would you say that Japan, China or Vietnam is boring cause they're just populated by Asians? If we're a "boring white country" then the coloured hordes of the world wouldn't be risking their lives to come here.
Even after 40,000 years?
What claim do the English or anyone else have to anywhere then?
Just because they built a few roads and houses?
Sorry but that kind of hypocrisy is not worth answering to.
What claim do the English or anyone else have to anywhere then?
Just because they built a few roads and houses?
Sorry but that kind of hypocrisy is not worth answering to.
If you like to put it that way then it was theirs during their time, but not anymore.
We built a first world country here and want to live in a society which reflects our people. The Aborigines resisted colonization now its time we did too (put an end to mass "immigration").
What claim do the English or anyone else have to anywhere then?
Just because they built a few roads and houses?
Sorry but that kind of hypocrisy is not worth answering to.
Thanks, I appreciate there is someone with an objective perspective.
I see it the same way. They got there tens of thousands of years ago, were the first humans to do so. The continent was their hunting ground.
Naturally they did not get a written paper 40000 or more years ago saying it is their land.
The same happened in Africa when the Bantus moved to southern Africa a few thousand years ago and took the land from the Bushmen, who had lived there forever as hunters and gatherers.
But I guess one needs to officially take the land away from aboriginal people in order to be able to exploit the resources on their land.
I am not saying that those things can be undone, the aboriginals have already been turned into a shadow of themselves. But one can at least be so fair as to admit what happened, apologize and maybe compensate in a way that everyone can life with.
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Don't get me started on racism.
It was the Aborigines' land, regardless of what they did or did not do with it or on it.
