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WHAT?!?! Why did Verstappen not get a penalty from the stewards?! Even NASCAR would require a stop and go penalty for forcing somebody off a track. Are the stewards just tasked with seeing that Ferrari doesn't take first?
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WHAT?!?! Why did Verstappen not get a penalty from the stewards?! Even NASCAR would require a stop and go penalty for forcing somebody off a track. Are the stewards just tasked with seeing that Ferrari doesn't take first?
I think it was a racing incident as was Canada. IMO the stewards got one decision correct and that is to let racers race, too bad they got the other one completely wrong.
I think it was a racing incident as was Canada. IMO the stewards got one decision correct and that is to let racers race, too bad they got the other one completely wrong.
Verstappen deliberately took a very wide line on the turn, leaving no room for the outside car. There was plenty of room inside for him.
If I had to call out a reason Vettel got penalized and Verstappen didn't it would be - in the Vettel/Hamilton incident, if Hamilton hadn't taken action, Vettel would likely have put him (actually, likely both of them) in to a wall. In the Verstappen incident, LeClerc had to run wide but wasn't in danger of hitting something race-ending, although, like the previous incident, if LeClerc hadn't gone off track there would have been a collision.
Although, if the stewards are going to really crack down - as they have been - then Verstappen should have gotten a penalty. If (as I think is proper) Verstappen didn't deserve a penalty, then they are going to have to lighten up enforcement. As it stands now, no one knows for sure what is and is not a penalty.
I suspect there might be some in-depth discussion - if not at the break then definitely at the end of the season.
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Verstappen deliberately took a very wide line on the turn, leaving no room for the outside car. There was plenty of room inside for him.
I'll confess to not having the patience to read the entire Byzantine F1 rule book but according to the commentators, both incidents violated the rules as written. Penalties for one incident and not the other is nonsense. And at least one video seemed to show Max with an awful lot of lock cranked in to the right to say he could've turned tighter.
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If I had to call out a reason Vettel got penalized and Verstappen didn't it would be - in the Vettel/Hamilton incident, if Hamilton hadn't taken action, Vettel would likely have put him (actually, likely both of them) in to a wall. In the Verstappen incident, LeClerc had to run wide but wasn't in danger of hitting something race-ending, although, like the previous incident, if LeClerc hadn't gone off track there would have been a collision.
Although, if the stewards are going to really crack down - as they have been - then Verstappen should have gotten a penalty. If (as I think is proper) Verstappen didn't deserve a penalty, then they are going to have to lighten up enforcement. As it stands now, no one knows for sure what is and is not a penalty.
I suspect there might be some in-depth discussion - if not at the break then definitely at the end of the season.
The result of open wheeled cars banging tires is unpredictable at best. But I agree, either both incidents (Canada and Austria) called for penalties or neither did. Personally, I believe both were simply hard racing and undeserving of penalties and have to wonder how much the flak over Canada influenced yesterday's decision.
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That’s just a silly comment. NASCAR recently raced at Sonoma and multiple cars were bumped, banged, and just plain run off the track. No penalties.
No, it's not silly. Perhaps NASCAR is different now, but back when I used to watch, you couldn't just run cars off the track. Each car is entitled to a racing line when cars are side by side -- you can't just force a car off the track and then claim to simply be defending your line.
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That’s just a silly comment. NASCAR recently raced at Sonoma and multiple cars were bumped, banged, and just plain run off the track. No penalties.
But at least AFAIK, F1 hasn't taken race points away from a driver for something they said on the podium.
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