The Great California Exodus Accelerates (Los Angeles, San Diego: sales, car registration, broker)

[Finper]

Originally Posted by tikkasf

Wait staff can enhance the experience of eating out.....

At McDonalds????

[tikkasf]

Originally Posted by Finper

At McDonalds????

I normally don't patronize fast food restaurants such as McDonalds.......I do like coffee shops though. Given a choice, prefer the independent coffee shops. Here is an example below of a coffee shop I have patronized when in the neighborhood. If I was on the road and really hungry and a fast food restaurant seemed to be the only option, then then I might stop in......but, I would walk out if I was being severed by a robot. Now, that I think about it, last time I made a stop at a fast food restaurant, was around 2004 or 2005, a Taco Bell in Redwood City in the evening, on my way back to SF. It was already past my normally dinner time and traffic on HWY was slow for whatever reason



https://farleyscoffee.com/

[Mike Town]

The best thing I ever did was move out of California.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Mike Town

The best thing I ever did was move out of California.

Thank you for your sacrifice.
And I’m sure I speak for many others, as well.

[Outer_Bluegrass]

It is no secret that your quality of life drastically improves when you leave California. I think that the pandemic made us realize that California just ain’t it, even though things had been trending downward for quite some time before that.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Outer_Bluegrass

It is no secret that your quality of life drastically improves when you leave California. I think that the pandemic made us realize that California just ain’t it, even though things had been trending downward for quite some time before that.

If your QOL improved, ‘nuff said. Congratulations. But … speak for yourself. Because millions of Californians (and lots of ex-Californians) don’t agree.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by Outer_Bluegrass

It is no secret that your quality of life drastically improves when you leave California. I think that the pandemic made us realize that California just ain’t it, even though things had been trending downward for quite some time before that.

If you're older and own a house and have paid your high California wages into social security and 401ks moving out will get you a bigger house and your retirement money will go further.

If youre 23 and trying to start a Hollywood or tech career you're likely going to have to spend many years in California whether you want to or not.

It depends on your stage in life.

If I moved to Ohio and was paid $35/hr less my whole career I'd be looking at thousands less a month in social security and retirement distributions and would have a fraction of the house equity I'd have if I stayed in CA. However, if I moved out of CA at 55 I could buy a mansion and a vacation home somewhere else. However, this would not be possible had I stayed in Ohio my whole career.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

If you're older and own a house and have paid your high California wages into social security and 401ks moving out will get you a bigger house and your retirement money will go further.

If youre 23 and trying to start a Hollywood or tech career you're likely going to have to spend many years in California whether you want to or not.

It depends on your stage in life.

If I moved to Ohio and was paid $35/hr less my whole career I'd be looking at thousands less a month in social security and retirement distributions and would have a fraction of the house equity I'd have if I stayed in CA. However, if I moved out of CA at 55 I could buy a mansion and a vacation home somewhere else. However, this would not be possible had I stayed in Ohio my whole career.

Heh … you must be still young? Because: when most people get older, they don’t want “a bigger house”, “a mansion”, or even a “vacation home somewhere else.” They want to downsize and take vacations where they don’t have to: repair the roof, mow the lawns, paint the walls, replace the toilets, clean 10 rooms, etc.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Heh … you must be still young? Because: when most people get older, they don’t want “a bigger house”, “a mansion”, or even a “vacation home somewhere else.” They want to downsize and take vacations where they don’t have to: repair the roof, mow the lawns, paint the walls, replace the toilets, clean 10 rooms, etc.

Most people living in 6+ bedroom homes don't clean them or fix them themselves .

My point was more that a lot of people claiming life if so much easier once they leave CA probably benefitted from the high wages in CA. They now can afford when they move to send their kids to top notch school districts, buy wonderful homes etc thanks to their CA money when they leave.

I'm not planning on leaving the state until my kid graduates high school which is a while. I'll probably go down to a surf friendly Latin American locale and enjoy time in the sun. I don't hate CA but am considering moving out of my region of the Bay Area at some point sooner due to politics/school quality.

[Outer_Bluegrass]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

If you're older and own a house and have paid your high California wages into social security and 401ks moving out will get you a bigger house and your retirement money will go further.

If youre 23 and trying to start a Hollywood or tech career you're likely going to have to spend many years in California whether you want to or not.

It depends on your stage in life.

If I moved to Ohio and was paid $35/hr less my whole career I'd be looking at thousands less a month in social security and retirement distributions and would have a fraction of the house equity I'd have if I stayed in CA. However, if I moved out of CA at 55 I could buy a mansion and a vacation home somewhere else. However, this would not be possible had I stayed in Ohio my whole career.

Ohio workers do not make $35/hour less than California workers at any company, in any industry. In fact, Ohio workers do not make appreciably less money than California workers in most industries, which is part of the problem. Unfortunately, salaries in California are not commensurate with the cost of living (and they never have been). The Los Angeles, San Diego and Inland Empire metropolitan areas have especially low salaries, given the high local real estate prices and tax rates.

Also, let’s face it — in most industries, it is easier to advance in your career outside of California due to significantly less job competition, especially in non-magnet legacy cities with historically robust economies (e.g., Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, Indianapolis, Louisville, etc.). I understand there are some industries that only exist or have an enormous presence in California (e.g., entertainment, social media, technology, etc.), but if you work in finance, insurance, logistics or any other regular/run-of-the-mill industry, then you are going to be significantly better off outside of California, especially if you are a ladder-climber.