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Old 09-17-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Excuse my poor use of words. I did mean it as the single most... not in totality.

 
Old 09-17-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Excuse my poor use of words. I did mean it as the single most... not in totality.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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The cost is minimal... And it's for my vehicles and home, not the rest of the nation's. I don't feel sorry for the guy with no insurance that totals his car, or who runs into me with no insurance (it's happened before).

I'm not going to repeat the facts about the United States I've laid out a million times that either you people don't read or just ignore altogether or don't understand.
You do realize that when you pay car insurance, that money goes into a big pot and whoever needs it, gets it, right? It's not just sitting in an account for your use.

That's how health care works as well. Everyone throws money into the pot, and whoever needs it uses it.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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You do realize that when you pay car insurance, that money goes into a big pot and whoever needs it, gets it, right? It's not just sitting in an account for your use.
Yes, I'm aware of how insurance works. Americans are all about insurance.

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That's how health care works as well. Everyone throws money into the pot, and whoever needs it uses it.
Car insurance isn't the same thing as M4A, nice try though.

I pay minimal cost for insurance because my risk is low. M4A wouldn't work like that, I'm paying for all of it. The sick and really sick.

Add up the total cost of M4A and then see that 45% of Americans pay no income tax.

In what world do you live in where that's fair for the rest of us?

Do you have any idea how much our taxes would skyrocket?

People living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc. so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute can have just one more freebie, except this is a really, really big one. Of course all the poor people want it.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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Yes, I'm aware of how insurance works. Americans are all about insurance.



Car insurance isn't the same thing as M4A, nice try though.

I pay minimal cost for insurance because my risk is low. M4A wouldn't work like that, I'm paying for all of it. The sick and really sick.

Add up the total cost of M4A and then see that 45% of Americans pay no income tax.

In what world do you live in where that's fair for the rest of us?

Do you have any idea how much our taxes would skyrocket?

People living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc. so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute can have just one more freebie, except this is a really, really big one. Of course all the poor people want it.
Ooopsy! It's those very people in ever increasing numbers going without any insurance whatsoever and you're already paying for the ones of lower income. But, not to worry, you've got yours.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...628-story.html

Your post is the veritable raison-d-etre for single payer that the rest of the free, first world, developed countries recognized decades ago. Yours is the last to step up.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Ooopsy! It's those very people in ever increasing numbers going without any insurance whatsoever and you're already paying for the ones of lower income. But, not to worry, you've got yours.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...628-story.html

Thanks for that totally non-biased post from the Los Angeles Times, the same paper that rejoiced when California started giving driver's licenses to illegals. Also it's a city where the middle class can barely scrape by because it's so outrageously expensive there. Have you any idea how many millions and millions of Americans like their health insurance?

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Your post is the veritable raison-d-etre for single payer that the rest of the free, first world, developed countries recognized decades ago. Yours is the last to step up.
No, my post is my opinion that most Americans share. We don't want government-run crap. If America wanted Socialism, we would have embraced it long ago.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Canada
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*snip*

Do you have any idea how much our taxes would skyrocket?

People living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc. so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute can have just one more freebie, except this is a really, really big one. Of course all the poor people want it.
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*snip*

No, my post is my opinion that most Americans share. We don't want government-run crap. If America wanted Socialism, we would have embraced it long ago.
Do you have a link to support your claim that most Americans don’t want government health care insurance and that they think it would mean “people living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc.”?

I’ve never seen a poll that indicated most Americans think that way.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Do you have a link to support your claim that most Americans don’t want government health care insurance and that they think it would mean “people living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc.”?

I’ve never seen a poll that showed that.
Of course you haven't, the msm media would never show anything like that.

I don't need links as it's just simple math.

45% of Americans pay no income tax. M4A would cost around 4 trillion a year.

The only people who want socialism are the poor (and lazy). I have lots of friends, it's the poor ones who are Bernie supporters. The rest that worked hard and went to college and have good jobs and insurance hate him just like I do.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Of course you haven't, the msm media would never show anything like that.

I don't need links as it's just simple math.

45% of Americans pay no income tax. M4A would cost around 4 trillion a year.

The only people who want socialism are the poor (and lazy). I have lots of friends, it's the poor ones who are Bernie supporters. The rest that worked hard and went to college and have good jobs and insurance hate him just like I do.
LOL! You can’t have it both ways. Either most Americans don’t want it or a maximum of 55% (100%-45%) don’t.
 
Old 09-17-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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Yes, I'm aware of how insurance works. Americans are all about insurance.

Car insurance isn't the same thing as M4A, nice try though.

I pay minimal cost for insurance because my risk is low. M4A wouldn't work like that, I'm paying for all of it. The sick and really sick.

Add up the total cost of M4A and then see that 45% of Americans pay no income tax.

In what world do you live in where that's fair for the rest of us?

Do you have any idea how much our taxes would skyrocket?

People living paycheck to paycheck, the struggling middle class would lose their homes, etc. so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute can have just one more freebie, except this is a really, really big one. Of course all the poor people want it.
Muddying things with the percent of people who pay taxes might be above my pay grade.

In Canada, everyone paid for health care whether they worked or not. It was either deducted at work, or paid out of pocket. That was a problem for the unemployed.

In the 1980s, that was changed so that everyone paid through taxes. Those who earn less pay less or nothing, those who earn more pay more. This change was a relief for low income and unemployed people. Most people have extended health benefits (vision, dental, etc.), which they pay through work or out of pocket.

Why would taxes skyrocket if everyone pays through taxes?
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