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What am I supposed to do about it? I went to college, got a good job, am a good consumer and citizen. I pay my taxes. I would love it if all US citizens could get off the tit and prosper, that would just make America stronger and better than it already is.
What percentage of Canada pays zero income taxes?
You can make change from within, flee for the Mexican border and claim refugee status, or admit that people in other countries have it better regarding health care.
Paying taxes is normal, working too.
What percentage of Canadians are at the Poverty Level (they don't pay taxes) ? Do you want to look it up? Should be easy to find with keywords like "stats" "Poverty" "Canada". Just checked those keywords and it's all about the indigenous people financial disputes. Excluding northern Canada, what percentage of the population lives at the poverty level - census stats.
I'm missing the point about taxes being an issue with health care. Is it because 55% of the population is living below poverty so they don't pay taxes? If so, that's not cool. That's like Russia behind the Berlin Wall.
No .... 55% is not the percentage below the poverty level. The percentage is 13.5% to 12.2% depending on what you read. In fact 9 million over the last 2.5 years have raised themselves out of the poverty line, and that's a good thing.
I was talking about American citizens, not Canadians.
But you stated that only the "poor and lazy" embrace socialism. Are we expected to believe that you actually think that somehow magically transmogrifies because of a line in the dirt and Canadians who endorse single payer are somehow other than "poor and lazy"?
C'mon now. You're still not addressing the factual posts offered with government provided stats showing MOST Americans do indeed want to embrace what you're incorrectly referring to as socialism AND they are indeed willing to allow the government to run that program by expanding Medicare.
You also took no opportunity to address the silliness of what you erringly refer to as Canada having more socialism due to one item, only that of single payer being the exact same thing as Medicare in the U.S.
You can waffle your way around the tent pole all you like but your intent was as clear as day to this poster and confirmed with your stating very succinctly as regards an expansion of the U.S. Medicare to duplicate single payer in Canada with this: "No, my post is my opinion that most Americans share. We don't want government-run crap. If America wanted Socialism, we would have embraced it long ago."
"I'm not going to repeat the facts about the United States I've laid out a million times that either you people don't read or just ignore altogether or don't understand."
That first was proven wrong with facts showing Americans are quite content with a plethora of government run "crap". Also proven wrong with any number of polls showing the majority do want some form of government mandated affordable healthcare coverage, even Medicare expansion. And the second was proven wrong by what you have called facts on multiple occasions being shown as not the facts but; merely your "opinion".
When you take individual programs that serve or provide services to Americans, generally those folks like the services. There are exceptions of course, the Veteran Administration for example and of course no one likes to pay taxes so the IRS gets low marks.
But you stated that only the "poor and lazy" embrace socialism. Are we expected to believe that you actually think that somehow magically transmogrifies because of a line in the dirt and Canadians who endorse single payer are somehow other than "poor and lazy"?
How dense are you? No, I was not talking about Canada. Here in America, the poor and lazy want socialism. I've given plenty of examples.
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C'mon now. You're still not addressing the factual posts offered with government provided stats showing MOST Americans do indeed want to embrace what you're incorrectly referring to as socialism AND they are indeed willing to allow the government to run that program by expanding Medicare.
I've also said this several times, but I have no problem with a public option. Just don't take my health insurance away from me. Or 160mm other people who have it. What is NOT popular is taking peoples' health insurance away and forcing them into M4A.
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You also took no opportunity to address the silliness of what you erringly refer to as Canada having more socialism due to one item, only that of single payer being the exact same thing as Medicare in the U.S.
Canadians have more government in their lives than Americans do.
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You can waffle your way around the tent pole all you like but your intent was as clear as day to this poster and confirmed with your stating very succinctly as regards an expansion of the U.S. Medicare to duplicate single payer in Canada with this: "No, my post is my opinion that most Americans share. We don't want government-run crap. If America wanted Socialism, we would have embraced it long ago."
My opinion on that still stands.
"I'm not going to repeat the facts about the United States I've laid out a million times that either you people don't read or just ignore altogether or don't understand."
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That first was proven wrong with facts showing Americans are quite content with a plethora of government run "crap". Also proven wrong with any number of polls showing the majority do want some form of government mandated affordable healthcare coverage, even Medicare expansion. And the second was proven wrong by what you have called facts on multiple occasions being shown as not the facts but; merely your "opinion".
Left leaning news articles aren't "facts" to me. How about I pull up 10 articles from TheBlaze or Brietbart, will you agree with those?
Americans don't want to be forced off of their insurance for government run crap. Trust me on this, I'm an American, you're not. Do you remember 2016? Repubs took the WH, Congress, and Senate. Polls don't mean diddly squat. Polls also had Hillary at a 98% chance of winning 2016 and we know how that turned out.
Americans don't want to be forced off of their insurance for government run crap. Trust me on this, I'm an American, you're not. Do you remember 2016? Repubs took the WH, Congress, and Senate. Polls don't mean diddly squat. Polls also had Hillary at a 98% chance of winning 2016 and we know how that turned out.
I'm American too. I think you're mistaken on a number of points, and also this isn't P&OC. Bluster is highly ineffective here, and you'll find almost all comments are sufficiently supported.
How dense are you? No, I was not talking about Canada. Here in America, the poor and lazy want socialism. I've given plenty of examples.
I've also said this several times, but I have no problem with a public option. Just don't take my health insurance away from me. Or 160mm other people who have it. What is NOT popular is taking peoples' health insurance away and forcing them into M4A.
Canadians have more government in their lives than Americans do.
My opinion on that still stands.
"I'm not going to repeat the facts about the United States I've laid out a million times that either you people don't read or just ignore altogether or don't understand."
Left leaning news articles aren't "facts" to me. How about I pull up 10 articles from TheBlaze or Brietbart, will you agree with those?
Americans don't want to be forced off of their insurance for government run crap. Trust me on this, I'm an American, you're not. Do you remember 2016? Repubs took the WH, Congress, and Senate. Polls don't mean diddly squat. Polls also had Hillary at a 98% chance of winning 2016 and we know how that turned out.
Now I'm dense. You haven't provided anything yet to counter any of the proffered links using your own fed government stats other than your one opinion out of 335 million, but somehow you speak for all and anything else is fake news.
Trust me on this. I agree with you 100%, you are indeed quintessentially American.
Now I'm dense. You haven't provided anything yet to counter any of the proffered links using your own fed government stats other than your one opinion out of 335 million, but somehow you speak for all and anything else is fake news.
Your news articles were biased. But, here are some that lean the other way, since you won't take my word for it.
There. Are you happy? It's not hard in America to find something that fits your agenda. We don't want Socialism. America is not a liberal country, big picture wise. See 2016.
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Trust me on this. I agree with you 100%, you are indeed quintessentially American.
You bet I am.
This whole thread is stupid anyway....I could give a million answers to the question? Why do more Canadians move to America versus vice versa?
Gee, let me think.
1. It's not a frozen tundra the majority of the year.
2. Lots of money to be made here (see Canadian movie stars who come use our system to get rich then bash it )
3. Capitalism
4. Much more going on, much more to do
5. Much more diverse landscape
6. Better health care
7. USA is a global superpower; Canada isn't.
8. Dozens of amazing cities that are unique in their own way
9. Lower taxes and COL
I could go on and on. I do love that Canada legalized weed, though. We could take a page from your book regarding that.
There. Are you happy? It's not hard in America to find something that fits your agenda. We don't want Socialism. America is not a liberal country, big picture wise. See 2016.
You bet I am.
This whole thread is stupid anyway....I could give a million answers to the question? Why do more Canadians move to America versus vice versa?
Gee, let me think.
1. It's not a frozen tundra the majority of the year.
2. Lots of money to be made here (see Canadian movie stars who come use our system to get rich then bash it )
3. Capitalism
4. Much more going on, much more to do
5. Much more diverse landscape
6. Better health care
7. USA is a global superpower; Canada isn't.
8. Dozens of amazing cities that are unique in their own way
9. Lower taxes and COL
I could go on and on. I do love that Canada legalized weed, though. We could take a page from your book regarding that.
The question we've been arguing about, to and fro; is what constitutes "socialism" and is the provision of government mandated healthcare what constitutes socialism. That is the only item you've earmarked in your comments about Canada as making it a socialist country. The U.S. has Medicare, which is single-payer and has had since the 1965.
YOUR links all phrased the question with "embracing socialism" being the premise.
Ask Canadians if they would embrace socialism and you'd get a resounding "no" from them as well.
How do you think those polls would have reflected had the question being put to them was the one you've conflated with actual socialism, that being, to enact some form of single payer healthcare system.
I deliberately picked two of your sources for the answer to that one:
So taking this in context, it would seem most Americans are not as confused as you over the actual definition of "socialism". They do not want it any more than Canadians do, but they do indeed support some form of government mandated universally affordable healthcare provision.
If you insist upon pointing at Single payer in Canada as a defining earmark of socialism, I will keep repeating ad infinitum; the U.S. has endorsed more of it than Canada with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, and way more cradle to grave welfare systems.
You've said it yourself that 45% of your citizens are deadbeats all sucking off the government teat … "so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute" ……. and by your own incorrect definition that makes them "SOCIALISTS".
"America is not a Liberal country big picture wise" …... well, lessee shall we? I just know you're going to scream fake news again but here goes anyway: America
The rest of your post was strangely on topic, and while I will suggest to you there are many rich Americans who have no problem living in Canada and many more illegally used the free to them healthcare for decades, I have no interest in rebutting the "frozen tundra" or the "capitalism", and "better healthcare" stuff for it's readily apparent to anyone with a scintilla of an I/Q, obvious nonsense.
Most (majority) Canadians are ambivalent (ho-hum) about the weed issue as they would be over same sex marriage or the abortion issue. There are new studies coming out showing it may in fact be more damaging through increase of a stress causing protein than originally thought. Now, that would be the very epitome of an irony right there.
Just as aside. Were I a devout Liberal instead of a socially progressive fiscal conservative, I would have cringed at the comments being made by Bernie regarding his financing of Medicare for all, He will probably set the case for universal or single payer healthcare in the U.S. back by at least ten years.
The question we've been arguing about, to and fro; is what constitutes "socialism" and is the provision of government mandated healthcare what constitutes socialism. That is the only item you've earmarked in your comments about Canada as making it a socialist country. The U.S. has Medicare, which is single-payer and has had since the 1965.
YOUR links all phrased the question with "embracing socialism" being the premise.
Ask Canadians if they would embrace socialism and you'd get a resounding "no" from them as well.
How do you think those polls would have reflected had the question being put to them was the one you've conflated with actual socialism, that being, to enact some form of single payer healthcare system.
I deliberately picked two of your sources for the answer to that one:
So taking this in context, it would seem most Americans are not as confused as you over the actual definition of "socialism". They do not want it any more than Canadians do, but they do indeed support some form of government mandated universally affordable healthcare provision.
If you insist upon pointing at Single payer in Canada as a defining earmark of socialism, I will keep repeating ad infinitum; the U.S. has endorsed more of it than Canada with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, and way more cradle to grave welfare systems.
You've said it yourself that 45% of your citizens are deadbeats all sucking off the government teat … "so the part of America (almost half) that doesn't contribute" ……. and by your own incorrect definition that makes them "SOCIALISTS".
"America is not a Liberal country big picture wise" …... well, lessee shall we? I just know you're going to scream fake news again but here goes anyway: America
The rest of your post was strangely on topic, and while I will suggest to you there are many rich Americans who have no problem living in Canada and many more illegally used the free to them healthcare for decades, I have no interest in rebutting the "frozen tundra" or the "capitalism", and "better healthcare" stuff for it's readily apparent to anyone with a scintilla of an I/Q, obvious nonsense.
Most (majority) Canadians are ambivalent (ho-hum) about the weed issue as they would be over same sex marriage or the abortion issue. There are new studies coming out showing it may in fact be more damaging through increase of a stress causing protein than originally thought. Now, that would be the very epitome of an irony right there.
Just as aside. Were I a devout Liberal instead of a socially progressive fiscal conservative, I would have cringed at the comments being made by Bernie regarding his financing of Medicare for all, He will probably set the case for universal or single payer healthcare in the U.S. back by at least ten years.
While I can see the merit in both sides of this debate, you can't really expect someone to read such a disorganized rant, BruSan.
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