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View Poll Results: Is Quebec Independence a Legitimate Movement?
Yes 147 65.04%
No 79 34.96%
Voters: 226. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-17-2022, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Rooted in reality? They are much poorer than the American prairies, and have a much lower standard of living, despite having the same resources.
I'm very interested and really want to know. Would you please elaborate on this with examples of what ways the Canadian prairie provinces are poorer and have lower standards of living by comparison with the American prairies? Could you please also provide your definition of what "higher and lower standards of living" mean to you?

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Old 07-17-2022, 07:33 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You wish Israel was a monarchy? I guess it would give Israel some more legitimacy in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
You misunderstand. The U.S. is my country.

I responded seriously, not reading the post to which you responded. You know well that Nixon, Biden and Trump are not Israeli officials.Do you have something against Jewish who don't live in Israel?

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Old 07-17-2022, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Canada is a very successful country and one of the best places in the world to live, but it is almost the archetype of a fabricated or artificial country.

In fact it is almost more like a continent-spanning empire with defined, non-expansionist boundaries than a true country or nation
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Old 07-17-2022, 09:43 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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In fact it is almost more like a continent-spanning empire with defined, non-expansionist boundaries than a true country or nation
I think Hudson's Bay Company or Rupert's Land would beg to differ.
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Old 07-17-2022, 10:10 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Ethno-Nation states are not a universal mold for a successful country, in fact if any of the lessons of the 20th century have taught, theyre an unrealistic pipe dream that comes at the expense of ethnic minorities. Most countries in Easrern Europe are just as “fabricated” as Canada supposedly is. What’s a Macedonian vs. a Bulgarian really? What’s a Croat vs a Serb? Sorry but from a Canadians perspective, people need to stop being babies and learn to coexist without blowing each other up. Where is this sense of entitlement that every ethnic group deserves their own independent nation state?

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Old 07-17-2022, 10:43 PM
 
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Ethno-Nation states are not a universal mold for a successful country, in fact if any of the lessons of the 20th century have taught, theyre an unrealistic pipe dream that comes at the expense of ethnic minorities. Most countries in Easrern Europe are just as “fabricated” as Canada supposedly is. What’s a Macedonian vs. a Bulgarian really? What’s a Croat vs a Serb? Sorry but from a Canadians perspective, people need to stop being babies and learn to coexist without blowing each other up. Where is this sense of entitlement that every ethnic group deserves their own independent nation state?
That’s a difficult question to answer, in all honesty. The underlying flaw with having each ethnic group claiming their own territory, is that we’d probably end up with well over a 1000 nations in the world. That would have a major impact on the way global trade is conducted. With that many members, one can easily see how much more complicated things become.

At the other end of the scale, there’s the question of whether it is ethically right to deny an ethnic group their own nation, if they so desire to have one.
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Old 07-17-2022, 10:54 PM
 
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Q: How long has Quebec been a "have-not" province

A: 65 years since 1957

Q: How long has Quebec been collecting welfare?


A. 65 years.

I don't understand why Quebec seems to have neglected a stagnant economy and end their dependence on transfer payments. Over a span of 65 years, something should have happened. Maybe it is complacency b/c one gets by just fine on welfare?

Quebec accepts federal transfer payments, then declares a budget surplus and a new social program to fund day care. Those transfer payments are subsidized by taxes collected from Anglo populations.

Quebec is a member of a confederation but they don't share. Instead they have shut their borders to legitimate trade between other members of the same confederation.

I am resentful against Quebec because of these things.
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Old 07-18-2022, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I think Hudson's Bay Company or Rupert's Land would beg to differ.
They actually confirm what I said, rather evocatively in fact.

A business market for oligopolies masquerading as a country is what a hopeless cynic might call it.
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Old 07-18-2022, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Q: How long has Quebec been a "have-not" province

A: 65 years since 1957

Q: How long has Quebec been collecting welfare?


A. 65 years.

I don't understand why Quebec seems to have neglected a stagnant economy and end their dependence on transfer payments. Over a span of 65 years, something should have happened. Maybe it is complacency b/c one gets by just fine on welfare?

Quebec accepts federal transfer payments, then declares a budget surplus and a new social program to fund day care. Those transfer payments are subsidized by taxes collected from Anglo populations.

Quebec is a member of a confederation but they don't share. Instead they have shut their borders to legitimate trade between other members of the same confederation.

I am resentful against Quebec because of these things.
Then your resentment is misplaced and misguided.

Equalization is something like 3% of Quebec's GDP. And one fifth of the equalization pot comes from Quebec so it's just in and out.

Quebec is far from living off the coattails of the rest of Canada.

It also gets fewer equalization dollars than most recipient provinces. Even Manitoba which is in the West, gets more.
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Old 07-18-2022, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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That’s a difficult question to answer, in all honesty. The underlying flaw with having each ethnic group claiming their own territory, is that we’d probably end up with well over a 1000 nations in the world. That would have a major impact on the way global trade is conducted. With that many members, one can easily see how much more complicated things become.

At the other end of the scale, there’s the question of whether it is ethically right to deny an ethnic group their own nation, if they so desire to have one.
We don't know how many independent states is optimal. At the turn of the 20th century there were about 75 and we had the First World War a few years later.

Today we have about 200 and global trade and travel have never been more dynamic.
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