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Then who demanded the Royal Commission on language issues in 1964? Who demanded the abolition of the Red Ensign on the flag? Who fomented the FLQ crisis?
My understanding is that the FLQ was an acceptable association and gained a lot of support from the quebecers, until it was infiltrated by a group of radicalists and somes well known criminals, who still exists btw, They now are nowhere near peoples opinions. The FLQ events shaked the populationfor generations and caused considerables damages to the independance cause, however, if there is anything good to that, is that we can now be confident that extremism will be feared and will be massively rejected as part of the independance process.
We must also remember that the federal government invoked the war measures act, officially requested by both federalists militants mayor of mtl and PM of Qc...and promptly cautionned by P.E Trudeau, which result in the intervention of the canadian army and police forces into great number of unjustified arrests, including artists and intellectuals sympathetic to the independance cause. This was also orchestrated to strike the imaginary of the independance supporters, which work quite well for few generations.
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My understanding is that the FLQ was an acceptable association and gained a lot of support from the quebecers, until it was infiltrated by a group of radicalists and somes well known criminals, who still exists btw,.
But this radicalization happened fairly quickly after the foundation of the FLQ in the early 60s. Early on, the FLQ financed itself by robbing banks to get money, so I guess some might have been sympathetic at taking financial resources away from "big power and money". Initially they also conducted small bombings and fires at federal facilities and symbolic places, when they were pretty sure that no one else was around to be hurt.
But very soon (after just a few years) there were a few victims (accidental or because the FLQ no longer cared, I am not sure), and public opinion quickly soured on the FLQ when that happened.
I actually agree with this. I do hope Quebec separates because it's the only smart option and only hope for equal treatment for the anglophone minority.
The problem with Quebec right now is that it wants to be part of Canada but also be an independent country. Quebec wants its cake and to eat it too. But It can't have it both ways. It makes no sense and creates a neurotic place with a immensely insecure culture and government. In a sovereign Quebec the niggling Quebecois fear of assimilation and self doubt will be cured, in turn the language police will no longer be necessary and the anglophone minority can be supported like minorities are in any civilized modern country. Quebec could finally be able to fix the bipolar nature of the Quebec government and advance beyond the 20th century.
I actually agree with this. I do hope Quebec separates because it's the only smart option and only hope for equal treatment for the anglophone minority.
T In a sovereign Quebec the niggling Quebecois fear of assimilation and self doubt will be cured, in turn the language police will no longer be necessary and the anglophone minority can be supported like minorities are in any civilized modern country. Quebec could finally be able to fix the bipolar nature of the Quebec government and advance beyond the 20th century.
Or a more likely scenario is a separate Quebec could be construed as giving legitimacy to the final push for the unimpeded eradication of the last vestiges of the Anglo culture.
I agree with modernrebel, I don't think the impetus to "eradicate" the English community would be nearly as strong in an independent Quebec. The zealous protection of the French language is in many ways a reaction to being a part of a "bilingual" country. By remaining a province of Canada, Quebec has it's hands tied in many ways, including when it comes to the protection of Quebecois culture and the French language. Without an international border to protect the Quebecois culture, the provincial government has no other choice but to resort to other measures such as the language police.
I agree with modernrebel, I don't think the impetus to "eradicate" the English community .
Regarding the alleged eradication of the anglo community, that's a false accusation. The idea isn't to eradicate it, it's to prevent its language from taking over as the main language of the province. Unfortunately some people seem to think that that turn of events is its natural destiny, and so anything that stymies it is seen as intolerable and, perhaps, an attempt at eradication.
. The zealous protection of the French language is in many ways a reaction to being a part of a "bilingual" country. By remaining a province of Canada, Quebec has it's hands tied in many ways, including when it comes to the protection of Quebecois culture and the French language. Without an international border to protect the Quebecois culture, the provincial government has no other choice but to resort to other measures such as the language police.
Without an international border, or Swiss-style language territoriality. Something which Canada has always been unwilling to grant Quebec.
Regarding the alleged eradication of the anglo community, that's a false accusation. The idea isn't to eradicate it, it's to prevent its language from taking over as the main language of the province. Unfortunately some people seem to think that that turn of events is its natural destiny, and so anything that stymies it is seen as intolerable and, perhaps, an attempt at eradication.
A false accusation? theres still many francophones who view Anglophones as oppressors and dominators or some evil faction out to bury the French culture and as a result this demographic has some what of a hate thing going for Anglos.
With a mere 8% of Anglos left in the province and still a concerted effort by the Quebec government at enforcing linguistic rules and regulations directed at the Anglo community i dont believe there will be any relaxing of linguistic rules and regulations in a separate Quebec until every last Anglo and any remnants of its culture are relegated to the history books.
The idea isnt to eradicate? AJ you cant be serious, you really think with the linguistic laws at its disposal that 8% of Quebecs population has any chance of making a come back to the old days when Anglos represented a massive 25% of Quebecs population?
A false accusation? theres still many francophones who view Anglophones as oppressors and dominators or some evil faction out to bury the French culture and as a result this demographic has some what of a hate thing going for Anglos.
With a mere 8% of Anglos left in the province and still a concerted effort by the Quebec government at enforcing linguistic rules and regulations directed at the Anglo community i dont believe there will be any relaxing of linguistic rules and regulations in a separate Quebec until every last Anglo and any remnants of its culture are relegated to the history books.
The idea isnt to eradicate? AJ you cant be serious, you really think with the linguistic laws at its disposal that 8% of Quebecs population has any chance of making a come back to the old days when Anglos represented a massive 25% of Quebecs population?
Like many developed western societies, much of Quebec's population growth comes from immigration these days. Over the past three decades, immigration has averaged over 30,000 people a year in Quebec. In 30 years, that's almost one million people. If there were no measures in place to favour their integration to French (and that of their children not yet counted in the total), that would be a significant anglicization of the population of Quebec. Of Montreal in particular. Montreal in particular would likely already be a city functioning in English as would likely Gatineau (not so much because of immigration but because of migrants from Ottawa).
Even as it stands now with all of the pro-French measures in place, a good chunk of those million immigrants have increased the size of the anglophone community in any event, though this trend has diminished recently as the long-term effects of the language policies start to dominate and take over from the effects of decades of anglicization of immigrants in the period prior to 1980 that are slowly fading.
I doubt all those millions of immigrants are Anglophones but are instead people who are already fluent in French and are increasing the francophone demographic not the Anglo demographic.
For the unilingual Anglophone immigrating to Quebec his prospects at a job are slim and his kids will have no other option but to attend French school, and he will also be asked to pay the highest taxes in North America and live in a province that has the possibility of separating from Canada.,IMO not much of a draw to immigrate to Quebec if you arent already French speaking especially when anywhere in the rest of Canada the linguistic issue is not a factor...
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