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I can see FMV from unincorporated Wheaton still has a serious case of Naperville Envy. This is mostly due to the fact that while Wheaton muddled along from the early 80's until today they were one of the primary nearby spectators who got to watch Naperville evolve from a little country town to the beautiful sprawling city that it is today.
We were Wheaton 25 years ago...then we decided to build the infrastructure from the ground up. Just because Wheaton sat around and did nothing while Naperville built up the infrastructure, improved roads, built roads and homes, added restaurants, cleaned up downtown, saw the opportunties when Rte 5 became I-88 (I could go on and on for about 4 more hours) and so much more really does give the Wheatonites a serious case of "Naper Envy."
Face it FMV no one is going to buy your overrated Napervile rants because none of it is based on fact. Naperville is what it is because Naperville planned for the long term and did something about it. Don't fault Naperville for being the most forward thinking western suburb in DuPage County...fault Wheaton for doing NOTHING while Naperville grew.
Bingo. FMV talks loud but says nothing. Lots of his Naperville rants are "fact" just because he thinks and says so. Is Wheaton a bad place to live? No. But Naperville has many advantages that Wheaton just cannot deliver on. Better downtown, better access to i-88, better schools, more corporations/businesses to contribute to the tax pool, and a better commute to downtown on the train, although the U.P. line that serves Wheaton does a good job. Does Naperville have its flaws? You bet, but I would rather be around the snobs than the bible folk who look down on you for having a drink or two.
In numbers yes. But if you compare the populations of both cities...Wheaton is the bible town. Guess which University just allowed dancing at school functions. Hint...it wasn't N.C.C
[quote=Naperville77;4541576]I can see FMV from unincorporated Wheaton still has a serious case of Naperville Envy. This is mostly due to the fact that while Wheaton muddled along from the early 80's until today they were one of the primary nearby spectators who got to watch Naperville evolve from a little country town to the beautiful sprawling city that it is today.
We were Wheaton 25 years ago...then we decided to build the infrastructure from the ground up. Just because Wheaton sat around and did nothing while Naperville built up the infrastructure, improved roads, built roads and homes, added restaurants, cleaned up downtown, saw the opportunties when Rte 5 became I-88 (I could go on and on for about 4 more hours) and so much more really does give the Wheatonites a serious case of "Naper Envy."
WOW, you just don't give up, do you. Unbelievable. Now you think its envy? What are you smoking down there in your "Naperville"? You keep throwing cheap shots, so now it's open forum for the same, even though I have continuiously been polite and said many positive things about certain parts on Naperville. Seems the one with envy is perhaps you, the one who claims to live in Naperville that all love, even though you are further away from it than we are, here in Wheaton.
Have you been to Wheaton lately? First, it's land locked, and has and always will be, as far as the "expansion" compairison. Are you that clueless as to why the arguements you just made do not make any sense? Wheaton has expanded as much as they can, with the land restrictions they have. And downtown is as "vitalized" as the Naperville you claim to live in, just on a smaller scale. Lots and lots of new shops, beautiful clean streets and sidewalks, 2 brand new train stations, miniature golf, a new library, 2 parks right down town, great resturants, beautiful Gary Methodist churchs' new addtion, etc., etc., etc.,...and all this in addition to the Huge condo project underway with penthouses starting at over a million. Then there is Cantigny and Arrowhead golf, both beautiful facilities. The list oges on and on. AND ALL OF THIS in less of a sq. mileradius than the South Naperville you live in.
OF COURSE it can never and never will be the retail meca that Downtown Naperville has become- there is no room and not the population to support it! As far as building homes- you really need to visit Wheaton. We just built one, remember? Are there mass cookie cutter subdivisions- NO. But a few in the last 10 years of custom built smaller subdivisions in various parts? yes. The only one still being built is the "Legends of Wheaton" and it took several years to develope that land as it was low lying and had water issues. Lastly, there is a proposed subdivision on Gary Ave., just N. of Cosley zoo, with 38 single family homes starting @ 1mil. The builder is Patrick J. Murphy Builders. High end, indeed. Wheaton sat by and watched Naperville grow? I think not. The rest of the home building is "tear down" status.
Addtionally, schools are being built, remodeled, expanded, etc... and still remain award winning. And yes, from Elem to middle to High School, not just parts of the district, like your 204. I have done nothing but praise dist. 203 in Naperville, but 204 is NOT in the same calliber and if you believe it is, you are really in denial. Everyone knows this as fact. Same for your naive views on thinking that Wheaton sat around while Naperville grew. I'm questioning your intelligence if you don't understand why and how Naperville grew in compairison to Wheaton.
Believe me, of all the things I have posted or had opinions of, concerning Naperville, none of it was envy. That's simply provided me with a good laugh. We live quite well in Wheaton and know we could live even "higher" in Naperville, especially in the far away part of it you live in. We know why our house we built was more expensive than it would have been if we would have chosen to live in Naperville and that decision didn't come because we were not able to, and now envy it!
Like I said in my last post to you, you always throw cheap shots in "defense" of your almighty Naperville, by bashing Wheaton. STILL WAITING ON THE ANSWER AS TO WHY YOU DON"T "GO OFF" ON ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS POSTED NEGETIVE OPINIONS ABOUT NAPERVILLE. It is starting to look like you are the one with some sort of "envy", as your defensiveness keeps getting stronger. I, on the other hand, have talked positively about more communities besides my own. I think if you'll read my last post, I even said we considered Glen Ellyn. I also said, to you, on another thread, that we considered a move to Naperville in 1999 and realized it was a good decision not to, based on the traffic and commute I would have had to my job. You wouldn't let go of that arguement either, insisting I knew nothing about Naperville since I hadn't been there in 10 years. Remember? Just curious. I answered ALL of your insults and accusations as well as explained the lastest cheap shots. Time to stop, period. Both communities are nice, you like yours, I like mine, but don't post city info as you did above, when it's pure BS. Your Naperville is and always will be seperate from the "country town" and original downtown that Naperville once was. Some, I would guess, miss that smaller population of the Naperville they used to know, before all the "infrastructure" came along!!!!!
RRConductor 76- you need to read your info a little more carefully. Naperville better schools? Not hardly! Look again. Dist. 200(wheaton) is right in line with Naper 203 with BOTH of these coming in way ahead of 204. The rest of what you say is explained above. As for the drinks- we have PLENTY OF THEM, believe me, as well as much of the 52,000+ population. You missed the other thread, didn't you? We aren't all bible bangers, here, In fact, they are far fewer than worth mentioning. That is definaltely a false impression. If you were looked down on for drinking by someone in Wheaton, I bet there's more to the story than that. But anyway, never had it happen to us and we drink every time we go out.
Man, just stop already! Do you really think anyone has the time or patience to read this long rant?!? No one cares about your weird obssession with Wheaton/Naperville comparisons!
Yeah, but Wheaton's a bit quirky because of Wheaton College. That place attracts a certain type of religious person who is always in your face.
Ive been in Wheaton several thousands of times and never ONCE had any religious person EVER get in my face. Im not sure why Wheaton gets this bible thumper image. Yes, there are lots of churches, yes there are lots of churchgoers, so what? Its not like they walk around and preach to every soul they meet. That would be a little odd, but its not like that whatsoever.
RRConductor 76- you need to read your info a little more carefully. Naperville better schools? Not hardly! Look again. Dist. 200(wheaton) is right in line with Naper 203 with BOTH of these coming in way ahead of 204. The rest of what you say is explained above. As for the drinks- we have PLENTY OF THEM, believe me, as well as much of the 52,000+ population. You missed the other thread, didn't you? We aren't all bible bangers, here, In fact, they are far fewer than worth mentioning. That is definaltely a false impression. If you were looked down on for drinking by someone in Wheaton, I bet there's more to the story than that. But anyway, never had it happen to us and we drink every time we go out.
Wheaton 200 seems to be more in line with 204 than 203, though it is posting slightly higher results than 204.
Daily Herald | A decade of school funding (http://www.dailyherald.com/packages/2007/schoollfinance/chapter10.htm - broken link)
Man, just stop already! Do you really think anyone has the time or patience to read this long rant?!? No one cares about your weird obssession with Wheaton/Naperville comparisons!
Clearly we all have the time, somewhere, or we wouldn't be on these forums to begin with, including you. Sorry it was so long, but needed to be said. Sorry again for the inconvienence. Have a good one.
There is so much misinformation in FMV's posts that I'm only going to make this short and sweet.
First of all, saying downtown Wheaton is as vitalized as downtown Naperville is ludicrous. When was the last time you were in downtown Naperville. 1987? We've grown a little bit since then. As you said already Wheaton couldn't grow as much as Naperville. It's nothing to be ashamed of when Naperville just is in a better location to grow and therefore took advantage of the room WE had. More than half of what you mention up there in your novel isn't even in downtown Wheaton. So if you're comparing the downtown areas you shouldn't be misleading people.
Second of all, I never lived in South Naperville. In fact I lived in North Naperville when Naperville was only downtown and north...before there was any kind of construction anywhere south of 75th St and I'm still here today...and I've seen first hand how Naperville has grown and sped past all of the other western suburbs in terms of development and building to support the population boom. So don't sit here and talk about Naperville like you really know anything about it.
You talk about 200 being better than 204 and in 203's class. It's not even remotely close in terms of schools when you put 200 up against 203. I'm not even going to begin to argue how much better 203 is than 200 but people can see the numbers for themselves just by clicking on the Daily Herald link above. You get a better education and your kids score higher (MUCH higher) on the ACT's and SAT's in 203 and you PAY LESS PER STUDENT for the education. That in a nutshell trumps anything you've said about 200. In fact you need to get your facts straight. 204 and 200 are almost equal in terms of score and it is about $7000 less per student for the education in 204 (204 used to be a premier district...I know because I received my education in 204 years and years ago.)
I'm not bashing you or anyone else that likes Wheaton. As I've mentioned enough times my mother's law practice has been in Wheaton for years right by the prairie path and we've never talked ill of the people we know from Wheaton. However, when someone decides to post flat out lies about Naperville I as a longtime resident will take exception...as any upstanding longtime Naperville resident would and should.
Wheaton is nice but Wheaton will never be the class of suburb (i.e. in the same caliber) as Naperville. Money Magazine isn't the only magazine that thinks so. We were earning accolades as far back as the late 1980's. So as much as you've been burned by Naperville home sales it does not give you the right to slam our town.
Just wanted to set the record straight for anyone looking for more FACTUAL information about Naperville from someone who actually LIVES in Naperville. Not some jaded unincorporated Wheaton resident. BTW, I'm sure the Mayor of Wheaton enjoys the fact that you don't want to pay taxes to support the town of Wheaton. You defend it on one hand and then turn around and brag about being in an unincorporated area. If that isn't hypocritical nothing is.
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That would be a little odd, but its not like that whatsoever.
