Back of the Yards War Zone (Chicago, Avon: student loan, restaurant, prices)

[svillechris]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Here is the problem.

In nearly every functional American household to approach one's parents and say "I'm dropping out of school," they would think you were joking. Once they realized you weren't the annoucnement would be met with shock, horror, every single obstacle would be put in your way up to and including calling the police, kids would even be disowned.

For some reason that isn't happening in these environments, not even close.

The reason is horrible parenting. Parenting where it's a burden to have children instead of an honor or a privilege or a blessing. When the parents themselves are in jail, or are crackheads, or are in a gang themselves, the last of their concerns is their child's education like parents in a civilized society would have.

Look, we can try to regulate, ban, outlaw, overwhelm with police presence, or use whatever other type methods to help solve the problem. The fact of the matter is that the people (the parents of the small children that become gang members) have no personal accountability or morals, this vicious cycle will continue. The reason why it's been impossible to stop the last 30 years is because the government and police cannot instill values and morals into a person.

[Atlanta_BD]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Here is the problem.

In nearly every functional American household to approach one's parents and say "I'm dropping out of school," they would think you were joking. Once they realized you weren't the annoucnement would be met with shock, horror, every single obstacle would be put in your way up to and including calling the police, kids would even be disowned.

For some reason that isn't happening in these environments, not even close.

It starts with the parents and their not doing their jobs.

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by Atlanta_BD

When you talk to some of these young guys not doing anything with their lives in Chicago (and I have), they are pretty up front about the fact they don't want to go to work or school. They also work hard to discourage those who want to make something of themselves, telling them college is a waste of time. I've witnessed this for myself. You'll be surprised how smart a lot these guys are but won't put it to good use because of peer pressure. The pressure to be a loser is strong in this particular sub-culture of young black males in Chicago.

People who make excuses for these guys say things like, "These young men need jobs, and not just minimum wage jobs!" Who the hell's going to give you a job when you can't form sentences when speaking, you didn't finish high school and you have no real skills or experience? Let's be realistic about that. Many of them will not have finished high school but will saying stupid stuff like they don't want a job unless it pays $50k a year and they come in as managers.They want the good life without working hard for it, which is why they sell drugs. They want fast cash instead of sacrificing and going to college. They don't hide their laziness or lack of ambition to do things the right way, these guys.

Svillechris is absolutely right. The no jobs thing is an excuse. Because even if you have no experience, there are jobs you can get to start somewhere. Just start somewhere!

Agreed. Also agree the parents play a large part in this. get them the he## out of the 'hood! If they face peer pressure to NOT complete school, put them in an environment where the peer pressure IS to finish school. There are Pace buses in Wheeling and I bet they connect to Metra. And I bet CTA gets you to Union or Ogilvie. And Wheeling high school provides bus service if you live beyond walking distance.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Here is the problem.

In nearly every functional American household to approach one's parents and say "I'm dropping out of school," they would think you were joking. Once they realized you weren't the annoucnement would be met with shock, horror, every single obstacle would be put in your way up to and including calling the police, kids would even be disowned.

For some reason that isn't happening in these environments, not even close.

Meh, it's really really not just black people in Chicaoland though. Just saying.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by urza216

Meh, it's really really not just black people in Chicaoland though. Just saying.

What isn't?

[urza216]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

What isn't?

Kids dropping out of school.

[ptug101]

obviously you guy failed basic economics and sociology in college. Crime is simple to explain,now pull up a chair kiddies and let me explain econ and soc 101. The amount of crime you get is based on two factors what is the cost benefit of committing crime vs the cost benefit of going to school and getting a job. Now imagine your a poor Black kid in Chicago, you never been Downtown or been to a nice restaurant,you have never even been on an airplane. You wake up everyday and see people go to their low paying service jobs and have nothing to show for it.His perspective A. go to school and get low paying service job and live paycheck to paycheck in the ghetto. B.Commit crimes and live in the ghetto and maybe you might make it rich like scarface or 50 cent,if you dont well you were probably going to live in the ghetto the rest of your life anyway.C. work 40 hours a week and take out student loans to possibly live a lower middle class existence while you payback loans.


Now you might say well what about getting killed or going to jail,well if your life is just being in the ghetto those things happening to you are not that big of deal because well being in the ghetto is not that enjoyable anyway. The problem with people citing these morality and values non sense is that they assume that everybodies life growing up was as pleasant enjoyable as their so they should value it the same. Human beings are rational creatures reacting to stimuli and variables.

other variable include A.discrimination it takes a black kid of similar education levels relative to a white guy longer to find a job. B. lack of manufacturing jobs is a huge problem,because it provided a way for people who were not culturally assimilated to become middle class you can be ruff around the edges and not culturally refined and work at ford,but you cant work at JP Morgan as anything more than a teller if you are not somewhat refined and just teaching a kid math does not make him refined. C. The drug trade to alot of people is better alternative then working at Mcd's,and living in the ghetto.

solutions A. end the war on drugs let the government or some government sponsored enity sell drugs at low prices
and use the money for more police officers and aerial drones for survalliance.

B.pay people who are dropouts,generational welfare recipents,drug addicts and repeat convicts not to have children,to cut down on the socio-economical dysfunctional population to free up resources for people who are just displaced by capitalism.

C. revamp the education system to just focus on math and reading comprehension. Once you have that any other information can be picked up in a matter of months. Once this is establish put these kids in jobs training programs that feed directly into corporations.

D. revamp welfare after age say 12,kids welfare money should go directly to them not their parents,give them
a card with their name on it,give them the basics plus extra bonus's for staying in school and not having children before they have sufficient market income to support them.

[glass_of_merlot]

So when does shooting children justify anything at all. The majority of poor black people would never harm or kill anyone, let alone a child.
Even people who grows up in the worst of circumstances have morals. More our less. Stealing might be ok -drug dealing fine, but shooting up a playground??? There it's no excuse in the world for that.

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[nearnorth]

Originally Posted by ptug101

obviously you guy failed basic economics and sociology in college.

I think part of the problem is that many don't even learn basic economics or sociology, or if they do they dismiss it as liberal brainwashing by academia so that they don't have to have their distorted worldview challenged.

[LT445]

Originally Posted by nearnorth

I think part of the problem is that many don't even learn basic economics or sociology, or if they do they dismiss it as liberal brainwashing by academia so that they don't have to have their distorted worldview challenged.

Submitting college transcripts showing credits in economics and statistics is not a requirement in order to post an opinion or give feedback on an internet forum. Statistics are not always 100% correct.