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Here is stark contrast between the work that has been undertaken at Oak Ridge National Lab in eastern Tennessee vs the direction of "Advananced Manufacturing Lab" in the former Wrigley facility on Goose Island --
At the Oak Ridge site 3D printing technology was used to create an ENTIRE CAR complete with hydrogen fuel cell power in a way that is directly applicable to the existing manufactures while the Goose Island site seems to be involved only in hosting conferences...
Did you people even read the article? The city continues to bleed blacks but has added whites, Asians, and Latinos. Educational attainment and incomes are up year after year. It's unfortunate news, but its not because of taxes. It's because these people don't have jobs and are the victims of decades long discrimination. There are more than 1,000,000 blacks who were born in the NE that are now living in the south. The reversal of the great migration is real and we happen to be on the losing side this time.
Blacks do not leave because of taxes. Also, reverse migration has been going on since the eighties. The seeds were actually planted in the seventies. By the nineties it was in full effect.
Blacks do not leave because of taxes. Also, reverse migration has been going on since the eighties. The seeds were actually planted in the seventies. By the nineties it was in full effect.
There were neighborhoods in Uptown that were still seeing lower income whites from southern states moving in during the 70s...
In the 80s there were still fair numbers of jobs in southern states that revolved around traditional agriculture including cotton and tobacco...
The shifts in the 90s had much to do with the surge in voters buoyed by Bill Clinton's success in getting different kinds of thinking about the southern states -- while Clinton did have lots of popular support he was also VERY aware of how bigger companies could help states with investments. That really was a huge shift that triggered the migration of many traditional manufacturing firms as well as expansion of service / technology in lots of areas that previously never had such investment -- areas from Little Rock AR to Atlanta GA saw rapid changes in such sectors, largely cutting across racial lines. Unfortunately that has not been true of Chicago...
Excellent post--concise, and right on the money, esp with companies who like to pit one city against another in the eternal quest for small tax liabilities, but are quite happy to exit their host city holding the bag when they decide to leave.....again.
Yeah, mean corporate people suck. But explain to us how we get the decent paying manufacturing jobs for people who are not highly educated professionals if we're not going to adjust to what other states/cities are doing.
There were neighborhoods in Uptown that were still seeing lower income whites from southern states moving in during the 70s...
In the 80s there were still fair numbers of jobs in southern states that revolved around traditional agriculture including cotton and tobacco...
The shifts in the 90s had much to do with the surge in voters buoyed by Bill Clinton's success in getting different kinds of thinking about the southern states -- while Clinton did have lots of popular support he was also VERY aware of how bigger companies could help states with investments. That really was a huge shift that triggered the migration of many traditional manufacturing firms as well as expansion of service / technology in lots of areas that previously never had such investment -- areas from Little Rock AR to Atlanta GA saw rapid changes in such sectors, largely cutting across racial lines. Unfortunately that has not been true of Chicago...
I believe we're talking about different things. People still looking for work in manufacturing will move to where it is at. Some of the opportunities are in the South but not all of the opportunities. I was actually talking about professionals, paralegals, etc moving. I'm not sure about how it happened but a lot of Blacks that go to states like Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, etc for college never come back home. And that has been going on for a very long time. I personally know of Midwestereners and Northeasterners that left back in the eighties and never returned to the North, for other reasons, but it is what it is.
Once people spend a fair amount of time in the South, they generally like it. As others have said, a lot of these metropolitan areas matured after the civil rights era, so you don't have the racism and segregation experienced in the same way as they would be in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, New York, etc. On the other hand the built environments aren't as mature as they would be up North so you don't have the grit, urban feel, architecture, that you do up North. At least what still exists and did not get torn down for urban renewal.
Yeah, mean corporate people suck. But explain to us how we get the decent paying manufacturing jobs for people who are not highly educated professionals if we're not going to adjust to what other states/cities are doing.
What benefit to the region is there to have a ton of low-wage manufacturing jobs?
Seriously. Let's be frank - if someone is only capable of doing low-wage manufacturing, they should move to a low-cost region. We are not a low-cost region (except in comparison to NYC and SF), and why should be aim to become one? We should focus on what we do well, and grow that, not get into low-wage, low-cost businesses just because they exist. Would you advise Google to get into toothpic manufacturing just to "diversify"? Of course not.
You poke fun at me with your "Yeah, mean corporate people suck" comment, but I'm not saying what I'm saying out of some socialist utopian view, I'm saying what I'm saying because it's the best hard-nosed capitalist answer to force low-wage jobs onto low-cost states, and do everything we can to attract higher-wage jobs to lure higher-income people to the region. There is no reason to work to keep low-wage earners in the region. Do you think the taxes they generate would even come close to covering the needs of Illinois or Chicago?
What benefit to the region is there to have a ton of low-wage manufacturing jobs?
I don't think manufacturing jobs are low wage anymore, they require technical skills and training and I think pay well. The down side is they they don't need many people to run a manufacturing plant anymore, it's all automated/robotic, with a very few humans overseeing the AI's are working as expected.
What benefit to the region is there to have a ton of low-wage manufacturing jobs?
Seriously. Let's be frank - if someone is only capable of doing low-wage manufacturing, they should move to a low-cost region. We are not a low-cost region (except in comparison to NYC and SF), and why should be aim to become one? We should focus on what we do well, and grow that, not get into low-wage, low-cost businesses just because they exist. Would you advise Google to get into toothpic manufacturing just to "diversify"? Of course not.
You poke fun at me with your "Yeah, mean corporate people suck" comment, but I'm not saying what I'm saying out of some socialist utopian view, I'm saying what I'm saying because it's the best hard-nosed capitalist answer to force low-wage jobs onto low-cost states, and do everything we can to attract higher-wage jobs to lure higher-income people to the region. There is no reason to work to keep low-wage earners in the region. Do you think the taxes they generate would even come close to covering the needs of Illinois or Chicago?
There is big difference between actively trying to encourage "low wage manufacturing jobs" and accepting the fact that MANY states have been successful in securing VERY impressive investments from firms who produce HIGH VALUE manufacturing goods and have workforces that are increasingly valued for their skills. The cars being produced in outposts of German manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz in states like Alabama and other once back-water southern areas are every bit as costly as those made in the native factories. The workforce is largely made up of folks that have been trained in apprenticeships and post-high school settings by cooperation between the state and manufacturers. This is a story of "how to do things right" and it has resulted in increasing migration of suppliers and higher level design staff also being added to the base of manufacturing in these areas.
The other big difference is that when you say things like "there is no reason to keep low wage earners in the region" this ignores the fact there HUGE numbers of such workers are STUCK HERE because they have ZERO ability to relocate. The studies that track these kinds of things pretty starkly show that the structure of everything from WIC to unemployment to the patchwork of efforts to provide more consistent access to healthcare is designed to foster a STABLE population of people who are discouraged from moving. As obviously dunderheaded this was to even comedians -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNoJ2BzSRU the fact is poltical issues make it impossible to "export" the truly impoverished. The folks who move away are those with enough resources and MOTIVATION to uproot themselves, these are NOT the folks in "minimum wage" employment but those with quite a bit more to gain...
When I look at the absolute JUNK ideas that guys like Pritzker have put their money into it is shocking -- had I not clicked on the links from the Pritzker site (which used to be New Ventures until they realized it was useful to have a billionaire brand... ) I would have guessed these were sites were intended as parodies for some as yet unannounced reality show -- HelloGiggles: a Positive Community for WomenHow To Buy and Rent Bridesmaid Dresseshttps://www.purewow.com/home
People need STUFF like food, shelter and clothing as well as basic services like transportation, sanitation and healthcare if either "investor" type folks nor "government types" don't focus on the obvious potential for such things in Chicago it is a travesty...
You poke fun at me with your "Yeah, mean corporate people suck" comment, but I'm not saying what I'm saying out of some socialist utopian view, I'm saying what I'm saying because it's the best hard-nosed capitalist answer to force low-wage jobs onto low-cost states, and do everything we can to attract higher-wage jobs to lure higher-income people to the region. There is no reason to work to keep low-wage earners in the region. Do you think the taxes they generate would even come close to covering the needs of Illinois or Chicago?
So you want all the blacks and Hispanics to move out of the area. That's not a viable solution. It's kind of racist and it won't even work. It'll be the other way around.
There is big difference between actively trying to encourage "low wage manufacturing jobs" and accepting the fact that MANY states have been successful in securing VERY impressive investments from firms who produce HIGH VALUE manufacturing goods and have workforces that are increasingly valued for their skills. The cars being produced in outposts of German manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz in states like Alabama and other once back-water southern areas are every bit as costly as those made in the native factories. The workforce is largely made up of folks that have been trained in apprenticeships and post-high school settings by cooperation between the state and manufacturers. This is a story of "how to do things right" and it has resulted in increasing migration of suppliers and higher level design staff also being added to the base of manufacturing in these areas.
The other big difference is that when you say things like "there is no reason to keep low wage earners in the region" this ignores the fact there HUGE numbers of such workers are STUCK HERE because they have ZERO ability to relocate. The studies that track these kinds of things pretty starkly show that the structure of everything from WIC to unemployment to the patchwork of efforts to provide more consistent access to healthcare is designed to foster a STABLE population of people who are discouraged from moving. As obviously dunderheaded this was to even comedians -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKNoJ2BzSRU the fact is poltical issues make it impossible to "export" the truly impoverished. The folks who move away are those with enough resources and MOTIVATION to uproot themselves, these are NOT the folks in "minimum wage" employment but those with quite a bit more to gain...
When I look at the absolute JUNK ideas that guys like Pritzker have put their money into it is shocking -- had I not clicked on the links from the Pritzker site (which used to be New Ventures until they realized it was useful to have a billionaire brand... ) I would have guessed these were sites were intended as parodies for some as yet unannounced reality show -- HelloGiggles: a Positive Community for WomenHow To Buy and Rent Bridesmaid Dresseshttps://www.purewow.com/home
People need STUFF like food, shelter and clothing as well as basic services like transportation, sanitation and healthcare if either "investor" type folks nor "government types" don't focus on the obvious potential for such things in Chicago it is a travesty...
VW has invested $400 million in its Chattanooga TN plant. We should kill for such a thing on the south side, to employ minority low wage Americans and turn them into middle income earners. People who some apparently feel don't belong in our Emerald City (on the map a limited area) and should go somewhere else. Pshaw!
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Your timeline seems way way off...
) I would have guessed these were sites were intended as parodies for some as yet unannounced reality show -- 
