05-26-2017, 10:07 AM
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Interesting. In your experience is that mostly in the City of Chicago in certain areas, or suburban Cook county listings too? I don't remember seeing many suburban Cook listings that added in the sq footage of a finished basement. New construction by Lincoln Park, definitely
cheers
Lincoln Park new construction will probably include the basement it's finished. A bungalow in Jefferson Park? Probably not.
I am 150% positive that suburbs don't include the basement.
05-26-2017, 10:25 AM
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Lincoln Park new construction will probably include the basement it's finished. A bungalow in Jefferson Park? Probably not.
Again, in the city of Chicago, it is perfectly legal to include basement square footage in total square footage when listing a home on the MLS. Not sure why you think a new construction home in LP would, but a bungalow in Jefferson Park would not? Your increasing sq footage in the listing and lowering cost/sq foot. I just looked at ten listings in Jefferson park, and all 10 had basement included in listing. Not sure about the suburbs, but it's definitely possible certain communities don't allow it (example: in NYC you cannot list Basement sq footage).
As for cost of living (Chicago vs. Dallas); I just ran a report in Zillow on 6 neighborhoods of fairly equal stature (though the Chicago neighborhoods had like 7x the number of sales)
Dallas:
Preston Hollow
University Park
Lakewood
Northeast Dallas
Northwood
Greenway Parks
Average Sale Price/Sq Ft of above neighborhoods: $224/sq ft.
Chicago:
Gold Coast
Lincoln Park
Lakeview
Northcenter
Lincoln Square
Wicker Park
Average Sale Price/Sq Ft of above neighborhoods: $386/sq ft.
The link doesn't show the stats of all the hoods combined, but you can easily find them by entering each hood:
https://www.zillow.com/preston-hollo...x/home-values/
05-26-2017, 10:28 AM
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Again, in the city of Chicago, it is perfectly legal to include basement square footage in total square footage when listing a home on the MLS. Not sure why you think a new construction home in LP would, but a bungalow in Jefferson Park would not? Your increasing sq footage in the listing and lowering cost/sq foot. I just looked at ten listings in Jefferson park, and all 10 had basement included in listing. Not sure about the suburbs, but it's definitely possible certain communities don't allow it (example: in NYC you cannot list Basement sq footage).
As for cost of living (Chicago vs. Dallas); I just ran a report in Zillow on 6 neighborhoods of fairly equal stature (though the Chicago neighborhoods had like 7x the number of sales)
Dallas:
Preston Hollow
University Park
Lakewood
Northeast Dallas
Northwood
Greenway Parks
Average Sale Price/Sq Ft of above neighborhoods: $224/sq ft.
Chicago:
Gold Coast
Lincoln Park
Lakeview
Northcenter
Lincoln Square
Wicker Park
Average Sale Price/Sq Ft of above neighborhoods: $386/sq ft.
The link doesn't show the stats of all the hoods combined, but you can easily find them by entering each hood:
https://www.zillow.com/preston-hollo...x/home-values/
https://www.redfin.com/blog/2013/08/...your-home.html
First off, start by referring to your city’s building department records. Many city and county records are now available online, which makes getting this info much easier than it used to be. Some updates – like unpermitted remodeling – may not be reflected in the records, but it will still provide a good baseline.
Then, familiarize yourself with basic ANSI guidelines for calculating square footage for single family homes. Practices can vary slightly from market to market, but these rules apply to most areas in the country:
Below grade spaces (basements, dens, etc.) do not usually count toward a home’s square footage. Even a finished basement can’t be counted toward a home’s Gross Living Area (GLA) but it can be noted separately in the listing.
The ANSI method specifies measuring from the exterior of the house, but wall width is not usually subtracted to account for actual living space.
Stairways and closet areas are included.
Finished attic square footage is included if an area has at least seven minimum feet of clearance.
Covered, enclosed porches can only be included if they are heated using the same system as the rest of the house.
Garages, pool houses, guest houses or any rooms that require you to leave the finished area of the main house to gain access are not counted.
05-26-2017, 11:23 AM
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Exactly...
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lepoisson
The relative "livability" for the newer home in Dallas is orders of magnitude greater for MOST families than the the Chicago home. To be sure THAT is precisely why DALLAS is still growing! The experience of IrishIllini's ONE friend is in NO WAY representative of the broader trends that continue to favor places with nearly UNLIMITED ability for expansion. It is just silly to try go against the VOLUMINOUS data and say there is parity. Many very acceptable newer developments are actively being sold inside Dallas for MUCH LESS than inferior housing in Chicago.
05-26-2017, 11:49 AM
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The relative "livability" for the newer home in Dallas is orders of magnitude greater for MOST families than the the Chicago home. To be sure THAT is precisely why DALLAS is still growing! The experience of IrishIllini's ONE friend is in NO WAY representative of the broader trends that continue to favor places with nearly UNLIMITED ability for expansion. It is just silly to try go against the VOLUMINOUS data and say there is parity. Many very acceptable newer developments are actively being sold inside Dallas for MUCH LESS than inferior housing in Chicago.
I've been saying housing in Dallas is typically more recent construction. That's a given as Dallas didn't experience its boom until after WWII. Chicago and essentially all of Cook County was built out by then. You can find comparable properties like that in Chicago, they're just further from the core. How well those McMansions are built in either Dallas or Chicago is up for debate. They're typically cheap finishes and of poor build quality, but that's an entirely different discussion.
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Geneva/372.../home/16917330
(better schools than the Dallas example)
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Geneva/101.../home/16979391
(right outside of DT Geneva. Within walking distance of Metra)
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Romeoville.../home/23250322
(schools a bit meh, but no different than Dallas example)
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Plainfield.../home/23277091
(nice home, good schools)
Also this guy with Hinsdale Central HS
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Clarendon-.../home/18022635
Point being is Dallas does not have a monopoly on low cost, low quality McMansions. They exist essentially everywhere in the United States.
05-26-2017, 11:57 AM
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Historic homes that are "charming" are full of problems too. The house we have rented for past year is currently listed for almost a million dollars. I've seen loads of problems with it over the past year despite it being "renovated" and looking extremely pretty from the outside (good luck to whoever buys it)! Certainly there are super cheap modern homes, but just because something has a good layout and isn't "old" doesn't mean it's garbage.
05-26-2017, 12:01 PM
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Aren't Romeoville & Plainfield schools (202) about the same(?)
05-26-2017, 12:08 PM
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Aren't Romeoville & Plainfield schools (202) about the same(?)
Looks like Plainfield North is ranked considerably higher than Plainfield East. I don't know why. Maybe a larger low income or ELL population that feeds into PEHS?
05-26-2017, 12:24 PM
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Good grief, if I said you should have your eyes checked it would be insult to the blind people I know...
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IrishIllini
The listing lePoisen shared was for a
FIVE BEDROOM four bath nearly ALL BRICK home with granite counters SS appliance, crown molding / chairraile and over
3k sq ft for $250k . It was NOT a 3br 2.5ba townhome with just 1700 sq ft for $273k, nor was it a 1436 sq ft 3br 2ba farmhouse for $274.5K, nor a 4 br 2ba 2113 sq ft tract home (no crown moldings, no chair rail, no granite countertops, no SS appliances, mostly vinyl siding) for $269K, nor a 2108 sq ft 4br2.5 bath with 100% vinyl siding laminate counters, bottom of the line white appliance for $27k, nor a 3br 2 ba Cape Cod on the busiest street in CH with a tiny 1116 sq ft living area for $259,993... Even if any of those have basements they are giving up LOTS of livable finished space to the Dallas home.
The Dallas home has very nice interior finishes, you'd be hard pressed to find something similar at DOUBLE the price at a similar distance from the traditional employment centers of our region...
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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