10-05-2017, 10:20 AM
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As I said, the concern is that, win or lose when it comes to the hype around an Amazon HQ2 in Chicago the longer term trends of the "pie getting resliced" is something that will have to be addressed...
I have first hand experience with the shifts that have seen IBM expand overseas while shrinking in the US --
https://www.computerworld.com/articl...eeds-u-s-.html
I've highlighted the negative consequences of the collapse of Motorola and ATT locally --
What Happened to Motorola | Chicago magazine | September 2014
What needs to happen is a broader examination of how to tackle the challenges that will continue to result from the disruptions of firms like Amazon --
https://www.bisnow.com/chicago/news/...us-hed-1-72504
My fear is that, win or lose, the efforts to really invigorate the overall business climate won't happen...
10-05-2017, 01:50 PM
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A potential benefit is that Chicago has a fairly large number of startups, and given that Amazon attracts a lot pf skilled technical workers and is also a sometimes grueling work environment, this means that the startup environment would get a steady influx of people who come in for Amazon and then migrate over to the various startups.
10-05-2017, 02:05 PM
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Haha lol rofl et cetera...
I've always had a bias to rely on online sources to counter the too common pie-in-the-sky boosterism that is often baseless.
You want concise? How about the fact that though Chicago has a MASSIVE collection of Federal offices, that include millions of sq ft of centrally located offices AS WELL AS huge amounts of space at O'Hare, Midway, FAA Des Plaines offices, several dedicated VA hospitals and scattered administrative sites, national DOE labs at Fermi and Argonne the totals were under 50k --
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...ng-much-larger Given the further fact that there is tremendous "overhead" of security associated with that employment AND a recognition that much of the modernization that has reduced headcount for private sector employers has NOT really happened with Federal employment as it clings to the people intensive bureaucracies that allow for old fashioned "power through numbers"...
Mod cut. Federal employment is way off its peak since the Reagan administration, and continues to shrink as retirements increase in an aging federal workforce.
Couple this with the Trump administrations hiring of Secretaries of Agencies bent on destroying the Agencies that they were hired to improve, and your statement is nonsense. Federal employment continues to shrink with further types of buyouts, and outright threats to eliminate important agencies such as the EPA and cut Community Planning and Development grants at HUD, and eliminate positions in departments such as the State Department.
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10-05-2017, 04:43 PM
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I have stated before that my wife is a current Federal employee, I well know the trends in retirement and the lack of enthusiasm that there is for new hires -- those trends do nothing to change the fact that even at it peak the substantial complexes that include massive offices, hospitals and labs are not packed with hordes of workers.
The rate of growth of some agencies has been pretty well covered by traditional news sources; a good friend is currently an attorney with the EPA's Chicago offices and there is no dispute that the goal is to reduce head count after expansion --
Rep. Morgan Griffith says EPA job growth outstips that of U.S. government | PolitiFact Virginia
In the context of Amazon's dreams of having potentially 50,000 folks working out of "HQ2" the facts are pretty clear the most recent data on civilian employment make it clear that such a workforce would dwarf that of the Federal government in not just Chicago but the entire state of Illinois --
Federal Employees By State
Looking at other noted tech employment centers one is struck that even in San Fransico the dominance of Salesforce.com is achieved with just 6,600 workers --
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...francisco.html
Some one else mentioned the well known consulting firm Accenture, their largest office is in Chicago and it has 5,500 folks working from it...
Chicago's Top Workplaces: Accenture - Chicago Tribune
The only way that the Amazon employee counts makes any sense whatsoever is NOT in sense of traditional HQ type jobs BUT in far less white collar workplaces --
Wal-Mart Is Largest Employer in 20 States (NYSE: WMT) - 24/7 Wall St.
10-05-2017, 05:14 PM
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It's a fair question. What exactly do the 380,000 people on IBM's payroll do? What do the 425,000 Accenture employees do? Or the 176,000 HP Enterprise Services employees? Or the 203,000 Deloitte employees? Or the 261,000 Cognizant employees?
Aren't those total headcounts for the entire companies though? Apple's ridiculously large main campus has 12,000 workers.
Mind you, I'm not saying its impossible or even unlikely. Amazon's current main headquarters in Seattle is undergoing an expansion to fit 71.5K people in a few years from now, but I'm curious about how that's set up. What is it that they're about to push with such massive headquarters?
10-05-2017, 08:07 PM
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Aren't those total headcounts for the entire companies though? Apple's ridiculously large main campus has 12,000 workers.
Think bigger and wider, guys. With the sheer number of different industries they are currently in, it's not hard to see how different types of specialists will be required, often collocated near others at various fulfillment centers. More background-
https://qz.com/1051814/what-is-amazon-really/
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If Amazon comes to Chicago, it should be built in Southside Chicago. I'm sure gentrification on that end would speed up very quickly and in return reduce the alarming crime rate in that area. The land parcels on the Southside is there to make it happen.
10-06-2017, 04:49 AM
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If Amazon comes to Chicago, it should be built in Southside Chicago. I'm sure gentrification on that end would speed up very quickly and in return reduce the alarming crime rate in that area. The land parcels on the Southside is there to make it happen.
Why would Amazon see this as attractive alternative? For one, I suspect they would want a far more high profile location than on the Southeast Side. In addition, and far bigger, where would the transportation be on the SE Side to even allow this to take place?
Your point about such a Southeast Side location being good for Chicago and the multiplier effects you mentioned is spot on.....but what's in it for Amazon? I see....nothing.
10-06-2017, 08:23 AM
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Why would Amazon see this as attractive alternative? For one, I suspect they would want a far more high profile location than on the Southeast Side. In addition, and far bigger, where would the transportation be on the SE Side to even allow this to take place?
The only way it would work is if it came with concommitant work on transit. In that unlikely scenario, something like the Michael Reese site would need to have service at the 27th St Metra Electric act more like rapid transit with higher frequencies and lower in city fares through more Metra trains running and/or revising the current agreement with NICTD to allow both direction boarding and disembarking on South Shore Line trains and ultimately making the 16th St connector for Metra with through-running at Union Station to O’Hare like in the Crossrail Chicago plan.
10-06-2017, 09:45 AM
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Sounds like a better opportunity for Elon Musk...
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The only way it would work is if it came with concommitant work on transit. In that unlikely scenario, something like the Michael Reese site would need to have service at the 27th St Metra Electric act more like rapid transit with higher frequencies and lower in city fares through more Metra trains running and/or revising the current agreement with NICTD to allow both direction boarding and disembarking on South Shore Line trains and ultimately making the 16th St connector for Metra with through-running at Union Station to O’Hare like in the Crossrail Chicago plan.
The sorts of investments that would be needed to deal with the weirdly "isolated but not all that far" aspects of the Michael Reese site are just too huge for Chicago or Illinois or even the Federal government to tackle...
The guy to do it is the same guy that has revolutionized electric cars AND out flanked NASA & Boeing with SpaceX --
http://www.ibtimes.com/spacex-launch...eekend-2597470
In a "future meets the present" kind of way it would be interesting to see the Hyperloop --
Hypnotized by Elon Musk’s Hyperloop|The New Yorkler
Leaders who have to deal with the reality of rusty bridges and diesel locomotives rightly see this as kind of a distraction --
Amtrak CEO CNBC interview Elon Musk Hyperloop - Business Insider
The 'trajectory' of literally angling a tunnel out along I-55 would make perfect sense for those who could build links to St. Louis, Nashville or even Dallas -- all very viable options to leverage...
Great News for Everyone! Elon Musk Is Building a Hyperloop| Wired Magazine
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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