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At the time Jesus spoke these words God had taken His hand off of Jesus, turned His back to Him, did not hear Him, because Jesus who was sinless had become sin for us therefor this cry to God holds no merit.
Well, if that be the case, Jesus' Father answered in the affirmative by imputing all of our sins upon Jesus.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Well, if that be the case, Jesus' Father answered in the affirmative by imputing all of our sins upon Jesus.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
You're right, nothing more need be said...
Then why do we have the rest of the NT? Shouldnt the Gospels suffice?
At the time Jesus spoke these words God had taken His hand off of Jesus, turned His back to Him, did not hear Him, because Jesus who was sinless had become sin for us therefor this cry to God holds no merit.
Of all the outrageous, superstitious, primitive, ignorant and absurd things that are believed about God and Jesus . . . this is the most egregious and blasphemous. Wherever you are getting your beliefs about God from, Robin . . . it is not the Holy Spirit or the Living Word of God Jesus Christ. I would definitely be concerned if I were you.
Originally Posted by RobinD69
At the time Jesus spoke these words God had taken His hand off of Jesus, turned His back to Him, did not hear Him, because Jesus who was sinless had become sin for us therefor this cry to God holds no merit.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Of all the outrageous, superstitious, primitive, ignorant and absurd things that are believed about God and Jesus . . . this is the most egregious and blasphemous. Wherever you are getting your beliefs about God from, Robin . . . it is not the Holy Spirit or the Living Word of God Jesus Christ. I would definitely be concerned if I were you.
Yeah i have to say that is one of the dirtiest statements i have ever heard a Christian say about Christ and his words ... Jesus words had no merit when he was hanging on the cross? ... Very interesting.
The traditions of men make the word of God to none affect.
Originally Posted by RobinD69
At the time Jesus spoke these words God had taken His hand off of Jesus, turned His back to Him, did not hear Him, because Jesus who was sinless had become sin for us therefor this cry to God holds no merit.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Of all the outrageous, superstitious, primitive, ignorant and absurd things that are believed about God and Jesus . . . this is the most egregious and blasphemous. Wherever you are getting your beliefs about God from, Robin . . . it is not the Holy Spirit or the Living Word of God Jesus Christ. I would definitely be concerned if I were you.
So then i guess since some claim Jesus words on the cross held no merit, that the penitent thief is really burning in everlasting hell, and Jesus lied ... ?
At the time Jesus spoke these words God had taken His hand off of Jesus, turned His back to Him, did not hear Him, because Jesus who was sinless had become sin for us therefor this cry to God holds no merit.
On the other hand, why did I even bother to...........
So then i guess since some claim Jesus words on the cross held no merit, that the penitent thief is really burning in everlasting hell, and Jesus lied ... ?
What a crock!
Ah you all misunderstand what I am pointing out. What He said to the theif holds merit because Jesus was not praying He was speaking from His own knowledge concerning God and believers, but the prayer "forgive them they know not what they do" would obviously have fallen on deaf ears because of Christ state as sin for us at the time. But of course Jesus being God in the flesh would have remembered His own prayer and honored it but who was He speaking of? The world or those who was carrying out His torture, I would say the latter. Those who beat, scourged, and crucified Christ are those who He prayed for, not the world because much of the world didnt even know Him let alone knew what was going on. There is a difference between knowledge and prayer.
My how the bad fruit flies when people assume what the point is without considering the content and the context.
Ah you all misunderstand what I am pointing out. What He said to the theif holds merit because Jesus was not praying He was speaking from His own knowledge concerning God and believers, but the prayer "forgive them they know not what they do" would obviously have fallen on deaf ears because of Christ state as sin for us at the time. But of course Jesus being God in the flesh would have remembered His own prayer and honored it but who was He speaking of? The world or those who was carrying out His torture, I would say the latter. Those who beat, scourged, and crucified Christ are those who He prayed for, not the world because much of the world didnt even know Him let alone knew what was going on. There is a difference between knowledge and prayer.
My how the bad fruit flies when people assume what the point is without considering the content and the context.
He was praying for the the people of Israel whom God hardened so that they became enemies of the gospel for the sake of the rest of the world. He was praying for the pharisees and the saducees as well as the rest of Israel who were being cut off ...
Romans 11 explains it all very well ...
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Shouldnt the Gospels suffice?
It never stops....
