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Old 03-16-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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You can walk up to a group of Mexicans on the other side of the border fence and convince them that there is no problem, because we, and them are all Americans, and all they need to do is walk through the gate. But it is a lie, because they are NOT Americans, and will not be allowed to enter. Same goes with people who try to convince others that they are saved when they are not. It is a lie and to tell someone such a lie does nothing but deceive the listener, because when they try to enter, they will be told that they cannot enter. Sadly at that point, it will be too late to change it.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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You can walk up to a group of Mexicans on the other side of the border fence and convince them that there is no problem, because we, and them are all Americans, and all they need to do is walk through the gate. But it is a lie, because they are NOT Americans, and will not be allowed to enter. Same goes with people who try to convince others that they are saved when they are not. It is a lie and to tell someone such a lie does nothing but deceive the listener, because when they try to enter, they will be told that they cannot enter. Sadly at that point, it will be too late to change it.
That's man's system - oh, that's right - God is just like man.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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That's man's system - oh, that's right - God is just like man.
It works the same way in God's system. The Bible is clear that there will be those who are left outside pounding on the door, which will never be opened for them.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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It works the same way in God's system. The Bible is clear that there will be those who are left outside pounding on the door, which will never be opened for them.
It's clear that we're born with a carnal nature, which cannot enter - that changes everything as read scripture with that in mind.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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If even one human being were lost forever... God would be a loser and NOT this "God of love". I would not want to be in "heaven" with people who would worship a being who would do that to anything that He created.
Clarifying for anyone who may not have understood the intent of my post:

Loser: A person or thing that loses. Defeat.
Lose: to suffer loss
Lose out: fail to obtain something desired


- If I be lifted, I shall draw all mankind to myself.
- I am the Good Shepherd, who will always leave the 99 to seek the one that is lost.
- As in Adam, All die. So, in Christ shall All live.
-Jesus Christ is the saviour of All mankind, especially* those who believe.
- For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Jesus), and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.

And on and on and on...

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
What does this mean??


Dividing: to separate. Sift. Separating the darkness from the light. Separating the wheat from the chaff.

Jesus: "You have heard it said... but I SAY..." He was showing us as plain as could be that what they had heard was WRONG. He was rightly DIVIDING the word of truth. He was giving an example.

If God lost even ONE human being... If even one were lost, that makes God a loser because He will not have accomplished His good will. He will have lost:

The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth

If God doesn't get what he desires, He loses.

What does mainstream Christianity teach? That God will lose not just ONE, but some, actually MANY or even "MOST!"

Further:

Think on this:
God is Love
Love Conquers All.

If God is love, and LOVE conquers all... if even ONE were lost (which of course will not and cannot happen) then that means that LOVE CONQUERS ALL is not true.

Love is the most powerful thing there is, for God IS Love. He's not just "loving". He IS LOVE. LOVE which conquers all. LOVE conquers all non-love. Sin = non-love. There will be no sin left in any human being once God is done with us. We are are all in this together. Non-love is going to take a PERMANENT HIKE. We are ALL God's children. We are ALL loved.
And He WILL get His desire.


He WILL get what is good and acceptable in His sight: all men saved and come to the knowledge of truth.

GOD WILL NOT LOSE.
HE most certainly will not be deemed a loser.
God will get His wish: All will come to repentance - Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. (JOYFULLY. He will remove ALL tears from our eyes. ALL of our eyes.)

His plan is magnificent and PERFECT.
Not ONE will be LOST.





*especially - not "only", ESPECIALLY.
That verse is stating a fact. Those who BELIEVE....aren't the only ones being saved. Those who actually believe that He is the saviour of ALL are even MORE "saved". What does being "saved" mean? The problem is folks think being "saved" is being "saved from a terrible eternal destination".
Therein lies the problem.


peace,
sparrow
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Old 03-16-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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It seems that many of the Bible-based Christian threads are being side-tracked into the 'Universal Reconciliation' (UR) and Unitarian concept that, ... "Everyone will ultimately be saved, because, Christ died to offer Salvation and Life to all" --- The side-track always seems to come down to whether eternal salvation and life ... are optional or unavoidable.

On a precept-by-precept basis, scripture overwhelmingly affirms that God has created people with the free-will choice to accept or reject His offer of Salvation and Life ... and that the 'saved' are 'born again' in God's Holy Spirit... and "adopted" into God's family as God's children. This does not diminish the wonder or grace of God's work. It simply affirms that God did not create and populate earth with a species of human 'robots.'

My intent is not to 'attack' the UR folks, but rather, to lift-up the truth of scripture and counter the proliferation of damaging false doctrine among the weak and unsuspecting. I must admit that I'm a little surprised at the frenzied attempts to promote a doctrine, that by its very definition, doesn't really matter anyway: --- since, they claim that "ALL will automatically be saved to eternal life whether they believe it or not."

Claims to be 'protecting' folks from feelings of 'sin guilt' and inadequacy are only projections of the 'unsaved heart.' Christians are not burdened by guilt and shame, but, set free to live victorious lives in God's amazing Grace (Jn 8:31) --- They have been 'adopted' as God's Children and are living as 'kids of the King!'
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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On a precept-by-precept basis, scripture overwhelmingly affirms that God has created people with the free-will choice to accept or reject His offer of Salvation and Life ...
As I've said many times, "Free Will" only belongs to Him. Choices are laid before us in order to call out a people who will be part of His first fruits company; but to say that our choices overthrow His divine will is waaaaay contrary to scripture.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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It's clear that we're born with a carnal nature, which cannot enter - that changes everything as read scripture with that in mind.
Unfortunately some refuse to abandon that carnal nature and go to their graves with it - that changes everything as you read scripture with that in mind.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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2 Natures inside every person - having a war. The scriptures say this throughout. Everyone of us must contend with the devil wiithin. Only Christ within (Christ in you, your hope of glory) can win that battle. Best stop looking for Christ on the outside - he is within you and me and he is the light the comes into every person who enters the world. Best to take hold of that light while you can for the night comes when no man can work. To whom has much, more shall be given, and to him who hasn't - what he has shall be taken away. Of course that is a parable - not to be taken literally. Time to grow up in the things of God - this is not the hour for babes and sucklings -- this is the time of tribulation and Jesus said those days would be harder for those "with child". All his words are spiritual. If you do not think spiritually, you're in trouble in this world.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Italy
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Unfortunately some refuse to abandon that carnal nature and go to their graves with it - that changes everything as you read scripture with that in mind.
I was doing a lot of refusing. God changed all that.


Blessings!
brian
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