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It is neither help nor instruction if it is not REQUESTED. . . it is self-righteous "busybodiness" and imposition.
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Originally Posted by trettep
To the contrary. Righteous Judgement is a loving thing. And Love is meant for others.
Judgment is never loving, trettep . . . No one feels loved by being judged. They just feel judged. Explain your understanding of the "Good or Evil" issue in question . . . but NOT your evaluation of them.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
There has been countless attempts on this thread to explain that there are two kinds of judgment, - negative and positive, but you and some others continue see it all as self-righteous imposition. Do you ever accept help from anyone, or do you always reject it as self-righteous imposition?
When it is not REQUESTED or (if asked) CONSENTED to it is NOT HELP . . . it is self-righteous imposition, period. There are many kinds of judgments . . . not just two . . . and they do NOT all involve people as I have suggested. They involve determinations of Good or Evil among other things.
I don't condemn you at all, Jerwade; and I sure hope others here don't, either! Your posts here have always seemed to me filled with encouragement and care.
Many, many Blessings of Comfort and Affection to you, Jerwade. Your wife had a very wonderful husband indeed, I am sure of that. (-And I haven't even met you in person! ..But it comes through loud and clear in your posts!)
As a brother,
brian
Jerwade -
Let me add my sincere condolences here as well, and also may I say how much your presence here on the forum has blessed me.
Judgement should begin and remain with the house of God(which we are)until we learn to judge righteously .When we point our brother to the solution rather than his fault(which by the way most us usually know our own faults anyway, unless we are hypocrit's that is) then we have learned to judge righteously......Behold the Lamb of God.
To me there's nothing more odd as a blind man trying to judge is brother by pointing out there's something in his eye, at the very least you would think the reverse would make sense. You are exactly right Mystic, Jesus was using a figure of speech,and pointing out the absurdity of judging another. When our eye is single we see God not the fault in our brother.
The fact we are beholding the fault in our brother tells us that our light is actually darkness.
When your eyes are good, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are bad, your body also is full of darkness.See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness.Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be completely lighted, as when the light of a lamp shines on you.”Luke 11
Do you see that ,See to it then, that the light within you not your brother is not darkness.When we are being all that we want our brother to be, we are a light to that brother.
That is merely your opinion based on your belief that the word judge refers to PEOPLE. It refers to issues of Good and Evil . . . and that is what righteous judgment IS.
That is merely your opinion based on your belief that the word judge refers to PEOPLE. It refers to issues of Good and Evil . . . and that is what righteous judgment IS.
Perhaps you should read the Bible quotes earlier in the thread. Maybe they will help you understand the issue. With your current understanding every post you make here is self-righteous imposition.
I thought you taught that Jesus saves ONLY those who ask for his help. Now you are saying we can be helped without our request.Interesting .
And I thought you did not believe in asking for it..... Are you saying now it is convenient to believe otherwise? But then again, one thing has nothing to do with the other.
I am saying Jesus instructed one believer to judge/instruct another believer with the goal of helping them get back on the narrow path. You are confusing two unrelated topics.
The Bible even instructs believers to go as far as to expelling a brother/sister from the church if their instruction was not enough to bring the person to repentance. It is done with love and with the purpose of helping.
You do not have to agree with it. If you don't want to receive help, or to give it, then don't. I urge you to study this topic though because it seems you have not understood it.
Perhaps you should read the Bible quotes earlier in the thread. Maybe they will help you understand the issue. With your current understanding every post you make here is self-righteous imposition.
There is that reading comprehension problem again, Finn . . . It is YOUR views that are self-righteous imposition . . . helping people who do not ask for nor consent to receiving your "help."
There is that reading comprehension problem again, Finn . . . It is YOUR views that are self-righteous imposition . . . helping people who do not ask for nor consent to receiving your "help."
This post is another example of the kind of judgment we should NOT participate in. It is given in wrong spirit.
I am sorry Mystic but once again I will detach myself from the conversation because I know it will only go downhill from here. Have a blessed day.
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