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I'm having trouble understanding how you will have any joy knowing many are about to enter endless torments and terror.
By focusing on telling as many as possible the alternative solution while I'm able here on earth and placing trust in God that he says that it won't affect the believers (by virtue of no scriptures saying that it will)
Scripture calls Noah a righteous man. But the great flood is in no way comparable to endless torments in hell.
Scripture calls Noah a righteous man... for doing what?
filling the ark with converts
or
in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
I would probably bet that those from Noah's day that Jesus went to preach after his ressurection would differ....expecially when Jesus left and they didn't.
By focusing on telling as many as possible the alternative solution while I'm able here on earth and placing trust in God that he says that it won't affect the believers (by virtue of no scriptures saying that it will)
OK I can understand what you are saying - blind faith that you will have joy, however practically speaking there is really only 3 options here:
1. Everyone pretends to be joyful but in the back of their mind feel great sadness for everyone that is lost - this would last for all eternity. So not real joy.
2. Everyone's memory is wiped. So then you are no longer who you are.
3. You are actually changed so you derive joy knowing that others are being tormented. So again, you are not really who you are.
And I suppose there is a 4th option:
4. You simply forget about everyone else, perhaps in some "drug-like" state of glee, simply forgetting about anyone's pain and suffering.
None of these passes the fruits of the spirit test.
Scripture calls Noah a righteous man... for doing what?
filling the ark with converts
or
in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
I would probably bet that those from Noah's day that Jesus went to preach after his ressurection would differ....expecially when Jesus left and they didn't.
I don't see how any of that has to do with my question.
You walk up to an unbeliever, tell them there will be a day of great joy for some, and for the rest it will be great terror forever. How does he respond? This is a simple turn or burn message, which in my experience only turns people away or causes people to come out of fear.
I guess, what is your objective with your OP when you share that with someone? Convert them to Christ, or tell them they are going to 'get it'?
Please don't try to cover up your haughty words like "One day I shall stand back and watch" and act like it was nothing other than what it appeared to be.
I've been around too many people in person that talks like that and the conclusion I came to is spot on, and you know it.
This does have to do with the OP, simply because I do not see your words to me as the "May we all make the best use of the time of grace we have."
You want me to see terror and fear in the process of forming my conclusions, not grace.
Please don't try to cover up your haughty words like "One day I shall stand back and watch" and act like it was nothing other than what it appeared to be.
I've been around too many people in person that talks like that and the conclusion I came to is spot on, and you know it.
This does have to do with the OP, simply because I do not see your words to me as the "May we all make the best use of the time of grace we have."
You want me to see terror and fear in the process of forming my conclusions, not grace.
This OP wasn't intended to ease your paranoia ..... people who understand that time of God's grace is limited to while one lives knows why this is important
"May we all make the best use of the time of grace we have."
The OP is stating basic simple Christian doctrine, which is made plain in many places in the New Testament. I often wonder why some people here are on a Christianity forum. I'd have to entertain the idea that some of these people are not seeking to understand the Bible's teachings but only here to deny them in an attempt to destroy someones faith. HMMM.
The OP is stating basic simple Christian doctrine, which is made plain in many places in the New Testament. I often wonder why some people here are on a Christianity forum. I'd have to entertain the idea that some of these people are not seeking to understand the Bible's teachings but only here to deny them in an attempt to destroy someones faith. HMMM.
Well, the bible does not necessarily "teach" what the OP is talking about. Some believe it does and many of us believe that is a false teaching, so I'd say that perhaps we have several sides of belief all here believing a truth and wanting to destroy faith in what we believe is false.
The goal of all our motives could be sincere in wanting that end, the irony is that we could all be wrong in how we think, act and promote our beliefs, and in God hands we all will be safe and secure despite our error.
The best place to be is in the hands of the living God.
OK I can understand what you are saying - blind faith that you will have joy, however practically speaking there is really only 3 options here:
1. Everyone pretends to be joyful but in the back of their mind feel great sadness for everyone that is lost - this would last for all eternity. So not real joy.
2. Everyone's memory is wiped. So then you are no longer who you are.
3. You are actually changed so you derive joy knowing that others are being tormented. So again, you are not really who you are.
And I suppose there is a 4th option:
4. You simply forget about everyone else, perhaps in some "drug-like" state of glee, simply forgetting about anyone's pain and suffering.
None of these passes the fruits of the spirit test.
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