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-There is nothing Holy or Just about Eternal Torment, period!!!It is all man-made vengeance and distortion. Jesus Christ would NEVER countenance any such evil. We reap what we sow . . . NOT more than we sow.
I said God is holy and just. This means God can not be associated with sin. He separates himself from sin and judges sin as He sees fit. That's what He did with Adam. Adam was removed from God's presence in the garden and he received a judgment of death, both spiritual and physical.
In all the focus on God's love - His holiness and justice gets lost in the discussion - but these are clearly attributes of God that must be taken into account.
I said God is holy and just. This means God can not be associated with sin. He separates himself from sin and judges sin as He sees fit. That's what He did with Adam. Adam was removed from God's presence in the garden and he received a judgment of death, both spiritual and physical.
In all the focus on God's love - His holiness and justice gets lost in the discussion - but these are clearly attributes of God that must be taken into account.
But the greatest of these is love.... God IS love. Justice from love is not the same as justice from indifference, anger, or ego.
I said God is holy and just. This means God can not be associated with sin. He separates himself from sin and judges sin as He sees fit. That's what He did with Adam. Adam was removed from God's presence in the garden and he received a judgment of death, both spiritual and physical.
In all the focus on God's love - His holiness and justice gets lost in the discussion - but these are clearly attributes of God that must be taken into account.
Why would you think it is holy and just to let someone you love be tormented for eternity?
But the greatest of these is love.... God IS love. Justice from love is not the same as justice from indifference, anger, or ego.
Generally speaking, the majority of heresy starts with an overemphasis on one particular attribute or saying that "God is mostly..." anything.
No...God is loving...but he's also just and holy. He will cast sin into hell...whether you like it or not. Fortunately, Christians have the righteousness of Christ and don't need to fear his wrath.
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Originally Posted by legoman
Why would you think it is holy and just to let someone you love be tormented for eternity?
Generally speaking, the majority of heresy starts with an overemphasis on one particular attribute or saying that "God is mostly..." anything.
No...God is loving...but he's also just and holy. He will cast sin into hell...whether you like it or not. Fortunately, Christians have the righteousness of Christ and don't need to fear his wrath.
Actually you must have misread my post. Let me clarify.
The bible says god is love.(agree?) God is just (agree?). Love is just (agree?). God is holy (agree?). Love is holy (agree?). Torment by it's very definition cannot be love, nor then is it just or holy. Whoever is doing the tormenting cannot be love.
Therefore, one can conclude that either god is not love or god is a hypocrite, or the torment is a harsh word for tough-love and the manner of torment is not eternal and IS corrective (no actual flames, spiritual).
Actually you must have misread my post. Let me clarify.
The bible says god is love.(agree?) God is just (agree?). Love is just (agree?). God is holy (agree?). Love is holy (agree?). Torment by it's very definition cannot be love, nor then is it just or holy. Whoever is doing the tormenting cannot be love.
Therefore, one can conclude that either god is not love or god is a hypocrite, or the torment is a harsh word for tough-love and the manner of torment is not eternal and IS corrective (no actual flames, spiritual).
Agree?
The question is whether the "torment" as you put it, is warranted. Is it torment to lock a murderer up for life? Perhaps...but it's justified.
Likewise, due to the infinite nature of God, whom our sin is against, He is justified in casting us into Hell for eternity.
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Originally Posted by katjonjj
The bible is heretical then with that logic because it says God IS [all not mostly] love....
The Entirety of God's Character Must be Taken Into Account
How is this even possible?
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