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Good..then a 2 day old baby that dies does so because it is a sinner. That is the verdict from the Law from God.
"Sin" automatically makes the person a "sinner" regardless.
You have in the past stated (in a form of a question)
"But how can we be sinners if we haven't sinned at all? I mean what sin -- willful or unwillful -- has a newborn baby committed? Certainly being born is not a sin."
it has nothing about being prone ... sin isn't some choice \ inclination or the wrongful useage of agency. Sin is the condition one finds themself as an enemy of God. We are an enemy of God from the moment of conception and it's the Law from God that requires that every single person (at any age mind you) is damned to hell ... the Mormon's outer darkness.
That is why God revealed that no one will be declared righteous by observing the law.
Thank you for your reply, twin.spin. I guess we will have to just agree to disagree on this one.
Basically,from my understanding of this,sin and death are inherited?
Its encoded in us,its sort of like genetic?
Could you explain the logistics of how sin could be inherited? I'm not talking about the propensity to sin, which is part of human nature, but actual sin. Genetically, I don't see this as possible.
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So even a 2 day old infant dies because of its sinful nature,even though I thought everyone sins regardless,in thought and deed.
Wow! That must be one bad baby to have only had a two-day chance at life!
Good..then a 2 day old baby that dies does so because it is a sinner. That is the verdict from the Law from God.
"Sin" automatically makes the person a "sinner" regardless.
You have in the past stated (in a form of a question)
"But how can we be sinners if we haven't sinned at all? I mean what sin -- willful or unwillful -- has a newborn baby committed? Certainly being born is not a sin."
it has nothing about being prone ... sin isn't some choice \ inclination or the wrongful useage of agency. Sin is the condition one finds themself as an enemy of God. We are an enemy of God from the moment of conception and it's the Law from God that requires that every single person (at any age mind you) is damned to hell ... the Mormon's outer darkness.
That is why God revealed that no one will be declared righteous by observing the law.
The baby is born into sin just by being born. That means it's unwillful sin, not intended, not something the baby did. Death comes only because of what is claimed to be original sin. Adam and Eve were supposedly meant to never have know death be it physical or spiritual. But that old serpent and their disobeying god messed that up for them. BTW everyone is not damned to hell because of sin or being born into sin. Remember that is what Jesus the Christ is for. Not sure but I think it's different for the Jewish people whom god made a covenant with.
"The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar."
Let's put this truth stated above in context of other things that bible says. Bible says for us to be perfect as our Father in Heaven is perfect. Hmmm....surely it is a slight misinterpretation and means we are to be "becoming" perfect as our Father in Heaven is, already.
What is salvation? just being saved from eternal hell? Of course not! Salvation is being saved from the compulsion to sin.
Surely our bible is a tad misinterpreted. Anyone that claims they never sinned and needed salvation FROM their sinning, is a liar. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Bible also says that it is IMPOSSIBLE to sin after true rebirth. I can find that scripture but not a this moment of typing quickly.
Good..then a 2 day old baby that dies does so because it is a sinner. That is the verdict from the Law from God. "Sin" automatically makes the person a "sinner" regardless.
You have in the past stated (in a form of a question)
"But how can we be sinners if we haven't sinned at all? I mean what sin -- willful or unwillful -- has a newborn baby committed? Certainly being born is not a sin."
it has nothing about being prone ... sin isn't some choice \ inclination or the wrongful useage of agency. Sin is the condition one finds themself as an enemy of God. We are an enemy of God from the moment of conception and it's the Law from God that requires that every single person (at any age mind you) is damned to hell ... the Mormon's outer darkness.
That is why God revealed that no one will be declared righteous by observing the law.
A 2 day old baby that dies is a sinner....and you came to this conclusion just based on the fact that it died????
I said it in an earlier post and I think it bears repeating again...UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!! And Christians wonder why they are ridiculed???
The above beliefs are just one of the many reasons I do not use the label Christian any longer. Jesus the Christ would not recognize any of his teachings in the beliefs of todays Christians. Just saying...
"The bible says anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar."
That sounds reasonable. I've never even heard a baby make that claim. I suspect this refers to individuals who are actually capable of choosing to do something sinful and either admitting to it or denying it.
The above beliefs are just one of the many reasons I do not use the label Christian any longer. Jesus the Christ would not recognize any of his teachings in the beliefs of todays Christians. Just saying...
Just saying... a great many Christians do not believe this and argue quite strenuously against it.
Just saying... a great many Christians do not believe this and argue quite strenuously against it.
I'm aware of the Kat...I just am quite amazed that there is anyone who thinks this way...this belief is appalling to me and maligns God who is PURE UNCONDITIONAL AGAPE LOVE.
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