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Old 06-27-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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We fashion our own hearts in iniquity by not guarding it.

Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life. Proverbs 4:23

we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

This ^^^^^^^ is how we guard our heart.
ok tell you what...think about it from a physical perspective...the physical does explain the spiritual.

think about a baby being formed in the womb...did the baby form their own heart, determines were the left ventricle is vs the right atrium. No...God determines the inward parts, he knits everything together and creates it all for a purpose.

Its the same with the spiritual...he fashioned our inward parts, he is the one who made the heart crooked and only he can starighten it out.

Remember Ecclesiates7:13 Consider the works of God for who can straighten what he has made crooked?

Only God could change the heart of man. If we could fashion our heart in iniquity then that would mean that we ourself can make a heart in iniquity and thus we should also be able to unmake that heart and make a different heart. Why then would God need to be the one to remove the heart and replace it...if man himself can fashion his own heart?

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Old 06-27-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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lol...you're the one that brought up the heart of man. Why do so if you don't really care? I'm simply saying man, according to scripture, does not truly know his own heart.
That's why Jesus (the good Physician) performs the heart transplant for us.
Inpatient or outpatient?
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:15 PM
 
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I don't think anyone truly knows their own heart, their flesh, the natural man that lies within, though:

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Only Jesus truly knows our hearts.

1Ki 8:39 then hear Thou in heaven Thy dwelling place, and forgive and act and render to each according to all his ways, whose heart Thou knowest, for Thou alone dost know the hearts of all the sons of men,
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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lol...you're the one that brought up the heart of man. Why do so if you don't really care? I'm simply saying man, according to scripture, does not truly know his own heart. That's why Jesus (the good Physician) performs the heart transplant for us.
Alabama . The Christ conscious know the new heart God as given them, it is the sin conscious who do not know their own hearts. BUT in saying that who cares about their own heart, for it is in knowing the heart of God that man knows his true self.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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ok tell you what...think about it from a physical perspective...the physical does explain the spiritual.

think about a baby being formed in the womb...did the baby form their own heart, determines were the left ventricle is vs the right atrium. No...God determines the inward parts, he knits everything together and creates it all for a purpose.

Its the same with the spiritual...he fashioned our inward parts, he is the one who made the heart crooked and only can starighten it out.

Remember Ecclesiates7:13 Consider the works of God for who can straighten what he has made crooked?

Only God could change the heart of man. If we could fashion our heart in iniquity then that would mean that we ourself can make a heart in iniquity and thus we should also be able to unmake that heart and make a different heart. Why then would God need to be the one to remove the heart and replace it...if man himself can fashion his own heart?
So you have no regard to the scripture that tells us to guard it, for it is the well spring of our lives. This is one of the wisest thing Solomon said, for as a man thinks in his heart so is he.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:29 PM
 
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Inpatient or outpatient?
Christ conscious........... A clean bill of health
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:30 PM
 
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Who cares about your own heart, when you can know the heart of God. Knowing the heart of God is what changes the heart of man

How do you truly know the heart of God if you do not understand your own heart?
In other words...How will God teach you about himself..He is love ..he is merciful, patient, kind etc.

how will you truly understand these things if you do not understand the opposite of these things....See now why he fashions us in iniquity.

What would love mean to us if we did not know hate?
What would forgiveness mean to a person if they were created perfect and never in need of forgiveness? How will they understand why they would need to be forgiven?

In order to know one character you must know the opposite.

God himself does not have hate within him, but to teach his children love they must understand hate.
He is showing us both:

Look at this verse
Deuteronomy 30:15
See I have set the table before thee this day, life and good and death and evil.

He set everything in front of us. he showed us good and he showed us evil, he showed life and he showed us death. He wants us to know....He is doing all this out of love. he is telling us everything, and showing us everything.
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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That's why Jesus (the good Physician) performs the heart transplant for us.
exactly!!!!
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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Inpatient or outpatient?
Funny
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:36 PM
 
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How do you truly know the heart of God if you do not understand your own heart?
In other words...How will God teach you about himself..He is love ..he is merciful, patient, kind etc.

how will you truly understand these things if you do not understand the opposite of these things....See now why he fashions us in iniquity.

What would love mean to us if we did not know hate?
What would forgiveness mean to a person if they were created perfect and never in need of forgiveness? How will they understand why they would need to be forgiven?

In order to know one character you must know the opposite.

God himself does not have hate within him, but to teach his children love they must understand hate.
He is showing us both:

Look at this verse
Deuteronomy 30:15
See I have set the table before thee this day, life and good and death and evil.

He set everything in front of us. he showed us good and he showed us evil, he showed life and he showed us death. He wants us to know....He is doing all this out of love. he is telling us everything, and showing us everything.
By an awakened mind that beholds Jesus Christ . I see the Lord before me and in doing so he makes known to me the path of life. No evil necessary to behold for a man to be changed into his likeness.

You do understand we become what we behold ? . What do you think happens when you behold hate, and all the other evil you believe God needs us to see to change ?. Christ is the answer, not knowing evil.
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