Fundamentalist vs. Universalist...let's call a truce! (Jews, science, witness)
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And the idea of forming comes AFTER God created the heavens and the earth, not when God created the heavens and the earth. Thus we see both verses in Isaiah.
Exactly. The "forming", "making" and "establishing" of the earth for habitation (the context) comes later. The latter half of day 1, days 2, 3 and 4, as recorded in Genesis 1:2-19 :
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1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Where in that scripture do you see God creating the earth without form?
In the next following sentence:
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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God did not created the earth without form, the heavens and the earth were already completely made at the time, then the earth became without form and empty, then God goes on to form a new heaven and earth to be inhabited because the old had become without form and void.
However, that is not what the text actually tells us. We're going in circles here...
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One of the problems here brother is you look at these scriptures as something that has already taken place, while I see them as God creating the new heavens and earth. Something that is taking place right now.
Just look at the world around you brother, it is full of darkness and empty.
I see God's work in everything my friend. In the end, all is for His glory. Even the rising smoke of the wicked, the flesh, the natural man within us.
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
None of this troubles me in the slightest.
Rev 19:3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
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Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
So according to your understanding God creates all these things.
Yes. Praise God for it too! God will ultimately free the entire creation from the bondage of corruption, of which it was subjected to by God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
The flesh with it's ungodly desires constantly lusting against the Spirit (Gal 5:17) will cease to exist my friend, and will one day rise up like smoke before the Lord. Praise God!
I clipped off the rest...Nothing really new that has not already been discussed...
God said he created the good and the evil Isaiah 45:7
God said he has set before us good and evil Deuteronomy 30:15
the opposite of light is darkness and the opposite of good is evil.
I have never heard anyone say good or calamity. We say good or evil
God said evil...but you want to make it calamity.
God can make anything he wants...He made the devil? The devil is evil. The devil did not make himself evil, God made him evil. Nothing was made unless God made it. Nothing! Everything was made by him.
I guess this verse isn't true either...were does it end! John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Being blind isn't good but God makes people blind..they aren't willingly blind... what you are not seeing is ultimately God's creation is good but he has set evil before us so we can understand good. It is for a purpose and it is for his glory.
John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
What eventually happened to the man...he was healed of his blindness...God's work was manifest in him.
Notice he was born blind...he did not become blind.
Being blind isn't good but God makes people blind..they aren't willingly blind... what you are not seeing is ultimately God's creation is good but he has set evil before us so we can understand good. It is for a purpose and it is for his glory.
John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
What eventually happened to the man...he was healed of his blindness...God's work was manifest in him.
Notice he was born blind...he did not become blind.
No.He gave us Jesus Christ that we might know God, not to know good and evil. We do not need to understand good and evil, we do not need to understand evil to know good, or vice versa, Adam and Eve tried it, thinking it would make them wise too, look what happened to them. They became what they were looking upon.
No.He gave us Jesus Christ that we might know God, not to know good and evil. We do not need to understand good and evil, we do not need to understand evil to know good, or vice versa, Adam and Eve tried it, thinking it would make them wise too, look what happened to them. They became what they were looking upon.
How will you understand good never seeing evil, you have no idea what evil is? How do you understand calm if you've never seen a storm? enlighten me!
John 9:1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
What eventually happened to the man...he was healed of his blindness...God's work was manifest in him. Notice he was born blind...he did not become blind.
Agree. Everyone saw the work of God when He was healed and glorified God for this. They would not have seen this miraculous healing and glorified God for this if the man had not been born blind. The Father was doing His works through Jesus to show who Jesus was. God used this to show the people that Jesus was who He said He was. God bless and peace.
How will you understand good never seeing evil, you have no idea what evil is? How do you understand calm if you've never seen a storm? enlighten me!
By looking upon Jesus Christ. I do not need to know what evil is, Adam and Eve fell for that one. I need to know God who to know is life eternal.
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