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The saints or holy ones of Daniel 7 v 18 are those of Luke 22 vs 28,29 who posses the kingdom [ Rev. 5 vs 9,10; 20 v 6 ]
The 70 weeks of years [ Daniel 9 vs 24, 25 ] is the prophecy about the time of Messiah appearing in the first century.
The time of Messiah's arrival was measured in ' weeks of years'. Meaning that each 'seek' was 7 years long. Meaning there would be 7 plus 62 of such weeks of years making it a total of 69 weeks of years. That would equal 483 years. That span of time began when God's servant Nehemiah arrived in Jerusalem and began to rebuild the city. Persian history establishes that date as being 455 BC [ see Nehemiah 2 vs 1-5 where Persian king Artaxerxes authroizes Nehemiah to restore and rebuild Jerusalem ] Because of Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks of years that is how the people of the first century knew that Messiah would be on the scene at that time frame, an how the people knew to be in 'expectation' of Messiah coming .
-Luke 3 v 15.
The 'great multitude' of Rev. 7 vs 9,10 are the humble 'sheep' of Matthew 25 vs 31,32. They ' come out ' of the great tribulation. Safely come out on earth.- Isaiah 26 v 20
'Saints' refers to believers of all dispensations. It refers to Old Testament believers, Church Age believers, and Tribulational believers. The saints in Daniel 7:18 do not refer to the Church. The Church is never mentioned in the Old Testament.
Jesus presented Himself officially as the Messiah when He rode into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey at the completion of the first seven, and the 62 sevens. That makes sixty-nine weeks. Both the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple which took place 37-40 years after His crucifixion took place in the period between the completion of the first 69 weeks and the beginning of the 70th week which is still future. The Church Age is an intercalation or insertion which interrupts the Age of Israel. The Age of Israel still has 7 years left to run. That is Daniel's 70th week or Tribulation.
I see that the man of sin will not be one lone man who will be the tyrant who people cannot stop , but I see that the mass majority of people will be this man of sin which will rebel against God and the poor and rise up in contempt to put down these who hold on to these ways ........................, I see that the vast majority of people who become this man of sin will be the youth of the nations who never had the wisdom of the truth but will rise up in logic with pride and malice with the spirit of antichrist , and the legal system will support the rebels of the spirit of antichrist against the purpose of God ............., because the condition of the earth and the season of heaven will not have the authority to stop the rebellion in the spirit , because of the apostasy in the church which will be of lax in the Holy Spirit to allow the spirit of antichrist the power to have dominion in the earth .............. See this is only a theory of reason of the rise of the spirit of antichrist , and not in anyway a set ideas , ................There is one place which will be safe during those days and that is to know the lead of the Spirit of God , whether that is the rapture or some other safe area by the lead of Christ, and to hide out for months after the judgment is over
The 'age of Israel' ended at Pentecost. The now ' Israel of God' [ Gal. 6 v 16; 4 v 26 ] is Jerusalem above or spiritual Israel.
See: 1st Peter 2 vs 9 , 5.
As Jesus taught [ Matthew 23 v 38 ] that old 'house of worship' [ temple ] was abandoned by God.
1st Thess. chapter 4 is about death and resurrection Not rapture.
Don't the great crowd of Rev. 7 vs 9,10 'come through' or 'come out' of the great tribulation - Rev. 7 v 14.
'Flesh' [ physical ] can Not inherit the kingdom- 1st Cor. 15 v 50 - but the resurrected dead can.
Noah was not raptured. The first century Christians were not raptured. - Isaiah 26 v 20
As in the days of who?_______ at Matthew 24 v 37
Noah was not lifted up in the air where the physical can not breathe.
The resurrection of the Church occurs AT the rapture of the Church. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describes the resurrection of the Church at the rapture.
The great multitude of Revelation 7:9-11 are saints who have died during the Tribulation and are in heaven during the Tribulation. It is possible that those who have died and gone to heaven have some kind of an interim body before being resurrected in the bodies they will have forever.
All Church Age believers, living and dead, will be resurrected at the same time at the end of the Church Age. Those believers who are dead will return from heaven with Christ and be resurrected while all living believers on the earth at the time of the rapture will have their bodies transformed into bodies of immortality and incorruptibility.
Noah was not a Church Age believer. He is an Old Testament saint. He will be resurrected at the Second Advent of Christ. The Church on the other hand will be raptured and resurrected before the beginning of the Tribulation. Matthew 24:37 simply compares the conditions at the time of Christ's return with the conditions of Noah's day before the flood came. That passage is not making any reference to Noah being raptured.
The 'age of Israel' ended at Pentecost. The now ' Israel of God' [ Gal. 6 v 16; 4 v 26 ] is Jerusalem above or spiritual Israel.
See: 1st Peter 2 vs 9 , 5.
As Jesus taught [ Matthew 23 v 38 ] that old 'house of worship' [ temple ] was abandoned by God.
The Age of Israel was interrupted on the Day of Pentecost. It still has seven years left to run. Again, the Church is an insertion between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel's 70th week.
And if you are implying that the Church is spiritual Israel, that is not true. The Church is Church and Israel is Israel. The promises that God made with Israel will be fulfilled at the Second Advent of Christ. The Church and Israel are two different people(s). On that, see the following links.
Let me ask you then.....Is Paul still speaking about the same event in 2 Thes. chapter 2? Or is he speaking about ANOTHER coming of the Lord?
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After initially teaching the Thessalonians about the rapture of the Church the Thessalonians had received messages from false teachers telling them that they had missed out on the rapture and that they were in the Day of the Lord. So Paul had to remind them of what he had previously taught them and reassure them that the Day of the Lord could not occur until the man of lawlessness was revealed, and the man of lawlessness could not be revealed until that which restrains him (the reference being to the Holy Spirit who indwells the Church Age believer) is removed. When the Church is raptured, the restraining ministry of the Holy Spirit will be lifted so that the man of lawlessness can be revealed.
The Lord will return to the clouds for the Church and return with the Church to heaven until the end of the Tribulation when the Lord will return with the resurrected Church to establish the Millennial kingdom.
In 1 Thess. 4:14-17 Paul refers to Jesus returning for the Church before the Tribulation.
In 2 Thess. 2:1 Paul also refers to Jesus returning for the Church before the Tribulation.
2 Thess. 2:8 spans the seven year career of the man of lawlessness - the antichrist from the time he makes a covenant with Israel (see Daniel 9:27) soon after the rapture of the Church, until he is overthrown by Jesus Christ at His Second Advent at the end of the Tribulation.
This will not be a concern for the Church as the Church Age believer will have been taken up into heaven before the Tribulation (Daniel's seventieth week) ever begins. The Tribulational saints are not the Church. They are those who will come to believe on Christ during the Tribulation.
That's a fact Jack! (or Mike)
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