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Old 05-30-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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The Bible is our owners manual. The writers were the engineers of faith. It's true to say... Building a complex 'thing' requires many different disciplines to get it right. We will not be measured by our knowledge of it, but will have to give an account of what we 'built' with it.

The Ten Commandments were simple and efficient. Man however had many questions, lots of dumb ones too, lots of why's and how come's. So God inspired 'man' (his earthly engineers) to explain. Someone decided to write down all the words from the help center, after we called (notes). Later we got some red letter quotes/explanations from the head of engineering. Real geek by today's standards, but way ahead of His time.

So regarding the Bible.... Some of us keep it close, some of us share it and some of us celebrate the inspired product of it.

What are you doing with yours?
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Old 05-30-2020, 12:37 PM
 
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Because God never wrote the ten commandments. A human being did. Just like it was human beings that wrote the verses that comprise the Bible. The bible is a conglomeration of many writings which were chosen by Christian people, likely Europeans, hundreds of years after the death of Christ. .....
Once you reach this part of the screed, you know there is no need to go any further. It's a waste of time. This is an essay written by someone with zero knowledge of the history involved.
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Old 05-30-2020, 01:19 PM
 
Location: New England
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You've said at least as many nonsensical things about me, that you claim I've said. Yet I haven't made one complaint in that regard. I let them go.
ok then, name them
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Old 05-30-2020, 01:31 PM
 
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It would have been too heavy.
Good one! LOL
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:09 AM
 
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It is certain that the two ideas of God presented respectively by the Pentateuch and Jesus were very different. Diametrically, so in fact. JESUS forgave in the name of His God, and by the divine power that God the Father vested in Him. In fact, he did nothing but overlook the supposed sins of those who in the Jewish religious culture should have been condemned. He literally yearned to forgive them. The god of the old testament tradition commanded that such sinners be condemned, killed or cast out of the community of the Jews according to law. In one instance the Hebrew god rewarded the murder of someone who brought sin into the camp. Faith, grace, and tolerance were not taught or preached by priests and prophets of the OT era. They taught the importance of shame, and repentance, (remember
sack cloth and ashes), but the OT god YAHWEH would not forgive directly. But rather "covered" sin. And used scapegoats, before he could tolerate even the prayers and presence of sinners.
Jesus spent time in the direct presence of sinners and exemplified to the power and beauty of love in action. Prophets never preached love and forgiveness between the Hebrews as a means to achieve their god's forgiveness.

From this and many other things we glean that Jesus presented a very different God than the Hebrews knew.

Jesus' God lured through love with the promise of life everlasting. Moses' god commanded obedience under penalty of eternal death.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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It would have been too heavy.
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Good one! LOL
It would be a huge stone memorial, where no one could turn a page.
Although, gorgeous with twelve precious stones set in gold filigree.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:08 PM
 
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It is certain that the two ideas of God presented respectively by the Pentateuch and Jesus were very different. Diametrically, so in fact. JESUS forgave in the name of His God, and by the divine power that God the Father vested in Him. In fact, he did nothing but overlook the supposed sins of those who in the Jewish religious culture should have been condemned. He literally yearned to forgive them. The god of the old testament tradition commanded that such sinners be condemned, killed or cast out of the community of the Jews according to law. In one instance the Hebrew god rewarded the murder of someone who brought sin into the camp. Faith, grace, and tolerance were not taught or preached by priests and prophets of the OT era. They taught the importance of shame, and repentance, (remember
sack cloth and ashes), but the OT god YAHWEH would not forgive directly. But rather "covered" sin. And used scapegoats, before he could tolerate even the prayers and presence of sinners.
Jesus spent time in the direct presence of sinners and exemplified to the power and beauty of love in action. Prophets never preached love and forgiveness between the Hebrews as a means to achieve their god's forgiveness.

From this and many other things we glean that Jesus presented a very different God than the Hebrews knew.

Jesus' God lured through love with the promise of life everlasting. Moses' god commanded obedience under penalty of eternal death.
A promise of a better quality of life without the condemnation.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:12 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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It is certain that the two ideas of God presented respectively by the Pentateuch and Jesus were very different. Diametrically, so in fact. JESUS forgave in the name of His God, and by the divine power that God the Father vested in Him. In fact, he did nothing but overlook the supposed sins of those who in the Jewish religious culture should have been condemned. He literally yearned to forgive them. The god of the old testament tradition commanded that such sinners be condemned, killed or cast out of the community of the Jews according to law. In one instance the Hebrew god rewarded the murder of someone who brought sin into the camp. Faith, grace, and tolerance were not taught or preached by priests and prophets of the OT era. They taught the importance of shame, and repentance, (remember
sack cloth and ashes), but the OT god YAHWEH would not forgive directly. But rather "covered" sin. And used scapegoats, before he could tolerate even the prayers and presence of sinners.
Jesus spent time in the direct presence of sinners and exemplified to the power and beauty of love in action. Prophets never preached love and forgiveness between the Hebrews as a means to achieve their god's forgiveness.

From this and many other things we glean that Jesus presented a very different God than the Hebrews knew.

Jesus' God lured through love with the promise of life everlasting. Moses' god commanded obedience under penalty of eternal death.
However Jesus was not bringing a new religion under a different God

The NT Scriptures are about the prophetic being revealed by the Apostles and disciples of Christ about the one true God

the “heretics” all have different heresies which were written about, and your one stems from Marcionism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

Marcionism was an Early Christian dualist belief system that originated in the teachings of Marcion of Sinope in Rome around the year 144.[1]

Marcion was the son of a bishop of Sinope in Pontus. About the middle of the second century (140–155) he traveled to Rome, where he joined the Syrian Gnostic Cerdo.[2]

Marcion believed that Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.

Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant or demiurge (see also God as the Devil).
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:28 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I have been doing my fair share of research about the Bible lately in order to get a better understanding and just now I had a thought pop into my head so I thought I'd post it here. If God gave Moses the Ten Commandments as specific instructions to follow and rules to live by, why not do the same thing with the Bible? Wouldn't it be easier to understand?
But did God really give Moses the Ten Commandments in the way in which the Bible portrays it. Once you get past the primeval creation and flood stories in Genesis, the Bible starts to get into actual history, though not necessarily straight history. Rather, the biblical writers shaped their history narratives using ancient records and oral traditions to tell a story of Israel's history. Things reported in the Old Testament as history didn't necessarily happen exactly as the Bible says they happened. So was Moses actually given the Ten Commandments carved on stone tablets on Mount Sinai? We can't really say for sure. Did the Exodus from Egypt happen? Almost certainly, but probably not in the way the Bible tells the story.

Moses didn't even write all of the Pentateuch. He didn't write Deuteronomy as the text of Deuteronomy itself indicates. The various books of the Old Testament were written by different writers at different times and they give diverse views about God and even about Israel's own history.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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It is certain that the two ideas of God presented respectively by the Pentateuch and Jesus were very different. Diametrically, so in fact. JESUS forgave in the name of His God, and by the divine power that God the Father vested in Him. In fact, he did nothing but overlook the supposed sins of those who in the Jewish religious culture should have been condemned. He literally yearned to forgive them. The god of the old testament tradition commanded that such sinners be condemned, killed or cast out of the community of the Jews according to law. In one instance the Hebrew god rewarded the murder of someone who brought sin into the camp. Faith, grace, and tolerance were not taught or preached by priests and prophets of the OT era. They taught the importance of shame, and repentance, (remember
sack cloth and ashes), but the OT god YAHWEH would not forgive directly. But rather "covered" sin. And used scapegoats, before he could tolerate even the prayers and presence of sinners.
Jesus spent time in the direct presence of sinners and exemplified to the power and beauty of love in action. Prophets never preached love and forgiveness between the Hebrews as a means to achieve their god's forgiveness.

From this and many other things we glean that Jesus presented a very different God than the Hebrews knew.

Jesus' God lured through love with the promise of life everlasting. Moses' god commanded obedience under penalty of eternal death.
I think you’re missing the point of the two testaments. While both contain judgement AND grace to a certain extent, the OT reveals the Law and sin. The NT reveals grace, mercy and salvation. They work in harmony.
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