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I have been a life long advocate for Civil Rights in this country. You wish to discriminate? I will engage. You do not think the LGBT community should get married. I will engage. It is that simple.
We have evolved. Or ,some of us have evolved. We used to believe owning another person was dandy. We used to think women should not own property or vote, and black men had to jump through hoops to vote.
I remember black men, and women being killed, because they wanted a seat at the table. Black children were denied a good education with their peers.
I was pretty insulting to the opposition, their racism and bigotry, too. I make no apologies for my behavior, and own every word I say. Fundamentalist ideologues hide behind the words of others to justify their behavior. God likes my way better. Much better.
Move over. The LGBT community is taking a place at the table. They will marry and have children as they see fit. They will not be fired for being LGBT. The ideologues are losing their power, and ability to marginalize, and disenfranchise other members of the community.
I am delighted to be a witness to history.
LOL, You mean the beginning of the end of the human race when everyone turns gay?
Couldn't help myself.
I'll give you about 180 days and you will actually be a witness.
That's a little cold. If you are not willing to support people like her in any way shape or form, then what kind of church family are you a member of? Church is supposed to be like family, not a place where people tell each other to "deal with their own problems". Why do you go to church?
Cold? I do not involve myself in the personal lives of others. If they invite me in, I am perfectly capable of lending an ear. It ends there. I do not give advice. I am a sounding board. I do not take sides, and the conversation remains between the two of us. It goes no further.
If there are issues of abuse, I will pull out my handy, dandy, book of tricks, and give them the name of a good counselor. I will also give them the phone number to a shelter where they will be safe.
If children are being harmed. I am legally obligated to report to the police, and the person has no claim of confidentiality with me. My obligation goes to the child and to the law.
I do not gossip, or judge the relationship, nor will I gossip to others about it.
That's a little cold. If you are not willing to support people like her in any way shape or form, then what kind of church family are you a member of? Church is supposed to be like family, not a place where people tell each other to "deal with their own problems". Why do you go to church?
1. She does not go to my church
2. To help EVERY individual on the planet is not financially feasible.
3. YES, she must assume responsibility for her decisions.
OK, now I know you just against Christians in general.
The only christians I am against are those, like you, who attempt to impose your religious dogma onto our secular society. Quit doing that and you'll never hear a peep out of me.
Cold? I do not involve myself in the personal lives of others. If they invite me in, I am perfectly capable of lending an ear. It ends there. I do not give advice. I am a sounding board. I do not take sides, and the conversation remains between the two of us. It goes no further.
If there are issues of abuse, I will pull out my handy, dandy, book of tricks, and give them the name of a good counselor. I will also give them the phone number to a shelter where they will be safe.
If children are being harmed. I am legally obligated to report to the police, and the person has no claim of confidentiality with me. My obligation goes to the child and to the law.
I do not gossip, or judge the relationship, nor will I gossip to others about it.
Yes, the "none of my business, she can deal with it on her own" attitude is cold. Also, the fact that you would not care whether or not the cheating husband and his new lover continue to attend the church where the wife is a member further displays the "what do I care" attitude.
Or maybe you misundertand the "do not judge" command in the Bible. In the example I gave, the church leadership has a duty to do something aka judge, but the judgment must be done righteously. Allowing the cheating unrepentent husband and his new GF to continue attend would be unrighteous judgment for several different reasons which I already explained. Doing nothing in this case is equally bad as making the wrong call.
I hope my gay friends will forgive me but every time I see the subject line and the phrase "Under Gay Attack" I think of being pelted with powder puffs and subject to some really bitchy glares.
The only christians I am against are those, like you, who attempt to impose your religious dogma onto our secular society. Quit doing that and you'll never hear a peep out of me.
You need to quit pretending something is being imposed to you. You are free to reject everything you hear. No one wil force you to do anything you don't want to do. Unfortunately that choise is not extended to Christians any more.
The only christians I am against are those, like you, who attempt to impose your religious dogma onto our secular society. Quit doing that and you'll never hear a peep out of me.
Matthew 28:18-19 Jesus came to them and said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.' "
Whether or not you or zthatzmanz28or any other of the so-called "tolerant" that makes a habit of being two-faced about the Bible admit .... the Deity Godman Jesus actually commanded his believers to do what you call "impose dogma onto our society".
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. ~ Jesus
This again isn't about anything other than those who oppose the truth ... oppose those who dare to repeat it to an unbelieving society.
Yes, the "none of my business, she can deal with it on her own" attitude is cold. Also, the fact that you would not care whether or not the cheating husband and his new lover continue to attend the church where the wife is a member further displays the "what do I care" attitude.
Or maybe you misundertand the "do not judge" command in the Bible. In the example I gave, the church leadership has a duty to do something aka judge, but the judgment must be done righteously. Allowing the cheating unrepentent husband and his new GF to continue attend would be unrighteous judgment for several different reasons which I already explained. Doing nothing in this case is equally bad as making the wrong call.
I think it is odd you know so much personal information of another couple in your church. We call those busybodies. Make that judgmental busybodies. The tisk-tiskers. They tend to seek information from others by pretending to know more than they do about a situation. No piece of gossip, is too small to share.
I prefer to believe people go into a church to connect with God. Other than the joy of that sharing moment, I have no problem letting adults handle their own affairs, with the exception of physical abuse.
I do not misunderstand, I see you.
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I have been a life long advocate for Civil Rights in this country. You wish to discriminate? I will engage. You do not think the LGBT community should get married. I will engage. It is that simple.
