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Yes there are many verse that tell us everyone will KNOW it it is Him, here is one Zechariah 14:4 "On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west, for half the mountain, will move toward the north and and half toward the south".
But before this happens I believe this will happen: 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 "I can tell you this directly from the Lord, we who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet Him ahead of those who are in the graves. For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet called of God. First all the Christians who have died will rise from the graves. Then, together with them, we are are still alive and remain on the earth will caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with Him forever".
But not everyone will hear His shout, only His Children, believers will hear His voice. I believe the rapture is very biblical.
ILNC: Sorry, my friend, but your timing is still off. Both Zechariah and Paul were speaking of His coming in judgment in the first century. The great devastation of that day is pictured in the figurative description of the mountain being split in two and each part being moved from it place.
When Paul says "we," he means himself and his fellow saints. What is the audience relevance of Paul's words? What did his words mean to those first-century saints to whom his epistle is addressed? How did his words comfort THEM it the events he described were not to affect them personally?
ILNC: Sorry, my friend, but your timing is still off. Both Zechariah and Paul were speaking of His coming in judgment in the first century. The great devastation of that day is pictured in the figurative description of the mountain being split in two and each part being moved from it place.
When Paul says "we," he means himself and his fellow saints. What is the audience relevance of Paul's words? What did his words mean to those first-century saints to whom his epistle is addressed? How did his words comfort THEM it the events he described were not to affect them personally?
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Sorry but I disagree as you know. Neither of these events have occurred. Yes the we Paul is speaking about is fellow saints, like you and me.
The Rapture is a speculative Christian dogma that is loosely based upon the Revelation of St. John and sometimes borrows from other books of scripture as well.
In my opinion, it is false doctrine. The doctrine of the Rapture takes HUGE liberties and draws very large and unjustifiable conclusions. But certain denominations seem to be quite pleased with the idea.
Yes, most indications seem to point to us being at the end of times. But don't get too excited. The whole of Christianity has been wrong about this matter before. In 1000 A.D., all Christians everywhere were decidedly of the opinion that "the end of times" was about to happen. Well ... it didn't happen.
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The Rapture is a speculative Christian dogma that is loosely based upon the Revelation of St. John and sometimes borrows from other books of scripture as well.
In my opinion, it is false doctrine. The doctrine of the Rapture takes HUGE liberties and draws very large and unjustifiable conclusions. But certain denominations seem to be quite pleased with the idea.
Yes, most indications seem to point to us being at the end of times. But don't get too excited. The whole of Christianity has been wrong about this matter before. In 1000 A.D., all Christians everywhere were decidedly of the opinion that "the end of times" was about to happen. Well ... it didn't happen.
Yes, but the truth is the pre-tribulation rapture IS a false doctrine.
Yes, but the truth is the pre-tribulation rapture IS a false doctrine.
The pre-wha? Too much denominational jargon. Brain hurts. Help!
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