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I checked the Romeo and Juliette laws in the States and the first one that came up on Google was Virginia. That law states that people between the ages of 15 and 17 can lawfully have consentual sex. This tells me that Finn used the law in Arizona to make the case that sex at this age was illegal but the defense could use the Romeo and Juliette statue in order to get their client off. However one does not need any special pleading or defense to get your client off of a lawful act.
So in conclusion Finn lied when he claimed the law was the law. Instead he selected the state laws that backed his claim and totally ignored the laws from states that disproved him.
No he did not make the laws or write the Bible, he simply selects the laws or verses he agrees with and ignores the laws and verses he disagrees with. And he does not have the courage or honesty to admit so. I have not had that much to do with Finn before and now can dismiss him as a dishonest poster.
I checked the Romeo and Juliette laws in the States and the first one that came up on Google was Virginia. That law states that people between the ages of 15 and 17 can lawfully have consentual sex. This tells me that Finn used the law in Arizona to make the case that sex at this age was illegal but the defense could use the Romeo and Juliette statue in order to get their client off. However one does not need any special pleading or defense to get your client off of a lawful act.
So in conclusion Finn lied when he claimed the law was the law. Instead he selected the state laws that backed his claim and totally ignored the laws from states that disproved him.
Why Arizona?
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
You should search dangerous crimes against children, there is a huge difference between two innocent youth's experimenting with their sexuality and that of a bonafide child abuser whose victimsare under fifteen years of age. Here are a few under the Arizona Statutes:
You continue to accuse me of lying, when I simply quoted the law in the State we have been discussing. But you KNEW that. I also quoted the California law since it it the most strict, and happens to be the most liberal State in US. Someone asked me which State that was, and I said it was California.
It is what is it, and you seem horribly offended when people quote the facts to you.
So, your ad hominem is a loser tactic, and you'd look much better trying something else.
Besides, it is you who it misrepresenting the law, because Romeo and Juliet laws do not make it legal. They exist to reduce, or eliminate the punishment for the offense, not to make it legal.
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"Romeo and Juliet" laws, serve to reduce or eliminate the penalty of the crime in cases where the couple's age difference is minor and the sexual contact is only considered rape because of the lack of legally-recognized consent.
I have not had that much to do with Finn before and now can dismiss him as a dishonest poster.
Good for you. He just posted one of the most egregious things yet:
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
When people try to get personal, like you just did, it is practically always triggered by the desire to make the conversation about the person and away from the weak position they tried to defend. It is called ad hominem and a deflection. .
The worst case of what you lay out right here is you. The worst in this whole 935 page discussion is this: your taking Jerwade's story of his own sexual experimentation as a young teen and casting him as a criminal sex offender, all in an effort to distract from the subject matter at hand. Pot and kettle. Crazy.
When people try to get personal, like you just did, it is practically always triggered by the desire to make the conversation about the person and away from the weak position they tried to defend. It is called ad hominem and a deflection.
And look at Troutdude and Imissthe90s who came to your aid with their 3rd grade "debating" tactics. They employ the same approach, except they dont even bother to touch the topic. Either they dont know how, or they don't want to try because they know they are holding a losing hand.
"Came to his aid"? I don't need to come to badlander's aid. He is perfectly capable of responding to you himself.
My point, was that you do just what every other fundie does. You say, "Hey, don't blame me for hating gay people. The Bible says to!" or other similar things like that.
In other words, you use an ancient text that no one can actually agree upon, to justify your already held beliefs of bigotry. The only "losing hand" is being held by fundamentalists.
Good for you. He just posted one of the most egregious things yet:
The worst case of the above in this whole discussion was your taking Jerwade's story of his own sexual experimentation as a young teen and casting him as a criminal sex offender, all in an effort to distract from the subject matter at hand. Pot and kettle. Crazy.
Cry me a river.
Jerwade brought it up for the 2nd time, and you and badlander kept it going for this long.
I said "no futher comment" a long time ago but badlander kept pouring out the ad hominems, so I corrected him.
PS You claim above is fake. No one casted him out as a criminal sex offender. I specifically said I do not judge him, but them again I already told you so, but here you are repeating your fake claims.
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My point, was that you do just what every other fundie does. You say, "Hey, don't blame me for hating gay people. The Bible says to!"
It is not much of a point, because I do not say that. YOU say that, and falsely claim I say it.
You are a false witness.
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There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Jerwade brought it up for the 2nd time, and badlander kept it going for this long.
Throws a blindside punch to the face and then faults others for defending a bully move.
You are a bully Finn. You have no empathy, first for the subject matter at hand nor for anyone here. There is so little Jesus in your brand of Christianity. I thought since I come from an SBC heritage that believes in the infallibility of the scripture that we were from the same branch of the church. Not any longer. I've known some mean people in my church background but it isn't really fair to my forebears in my religious heritage to equate them with whatever brand you come from. Even the most legalistic have some empathy for others and are not this spitting mean.
That was nasty what you said about Jerwade and how you tried to label him a sex offending criminal. Just plain nasty. Of course he has a right to come back and defend himself at anytime he wants to. And of course badlander and others have a need to counter your ridiculous claims that teenage experimentation is criminal behavior.
The more you post the more ridiculous you become. You have been labeled as the same as Jeff and Choir Loft and Baptist Fundie, but they haven't done anything cruel like what you said to Jerwade. This isn't religious fundamentalism. This is just pure meanness.
Sorry Jeff, Choir Loft, BF and others for lumping you all together with this piece of work.
It is not much of a point, because I do not say that. YOU say that, and falsely claim I say it.
You are a false witness.
That's exactly what you say. Not in those exact words, mr. Wordgames, but it is exactly what you say. In fact, you have said the same type of thing multiple times in this very thread. You have said it multiple times about the laws you are looking up for the sole purpose of calling someone you dislike a rapist criminal for having sex at 13. You have said it in regards to gay people as well. To say otherwise is simply lying, Finny.
Throws a blindside punch to the face and then faults others for defending a bully move.
You are a bully Finn. You have no empathy, first for the subject matter at hand nor for anyone here. There is so little Jesus in your brand of Christianity. I thought since I come from an SBC heritage that believes in the infallibility of the scripture that we were from the same branch of the church. Not any longer. I've known some mean people in my church background but it isn't really fair to my forebears in my religious heritage to equate them with whatever brand you come from. Even the most legalistic have some empathy for others and are not this spitting mean.
That was nasty what you said about Jerwade and how you tried to label him a sex offending criminal. Just plain nasty. Of course he has a right to come back and defend himself at anytime he wants to. And of course badlander and others have a need to counter your ridiculous claims that teenage experimentation is criminal behavior.
The more you post the more ridiculous you become. You have been labeled as the same as Jeff and Choir Loft and Baptist Fundie, but they haven't done anything cruel like what you said to Jerwade. This isn't religious fundamentalism. This is just pure meanness.
Sorry Jeff, Choir Loft, BF and others for lumping you all together with this piece of work.
Would be a cool story if it were true. Maybe you should prove what you are accusing me of, because the fakeness is getting tiresome. I am not making it about Jerwade, you are. His comment only gave birth to the discussion, but it not about him, it is about the law. Jerwade has called me many things, but I can officially declare I am not calling him a criminal of any kind. You are trying to make this into something that it is not.
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That's exactly what you say. Not in those exact words, mr. Wordgames, but it is exactly what you say.
Not in those words!!! So, admit re-wording my words, and then accuse ME of word games.
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