People prepare--THE END IS NIGH (Creator, faith, Christian, Adam)

[Mightyqueen801]

Every time I see this thread title I hear that talking raven they sell in the stores around Halloween to put outside your house.

[Kode]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Did that god "create" the children like that or did environmental factors affect the children's development?

Much of it was due to genetic imperfections. Are you saying that God didn't care to control the development of an innocent baby and let it suffer, or are you saying God didn't know about it?

[Kode]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Did that god "create" the children like that or did environmental factors affect the children's development?

Did God create you? Did God create the child with Down's Syndrome?

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by Kode

Did God create you? Did God create the child with Down's Syndrome?

Me..yes..

the child..yes..

with down syndrome--probably not...

Genetics does not mean caused by god.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by Kode

Much of it was due to genetic imperfections. Are you saying that God didn't care to control the development of an innocent baby and let it suffer, or are you saying God didn't know about it?

Know? yes

Care? sure god does

Intervene? not

Suppose your idea of suffering is way different from mine---I have spent a life-time interacting with those you claim are "suffering" from some of the following--

dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa
autism
phenylketonuria
cystic fibrosis
galactosemia
sickle cell disease
biotinidase deficiency
congenital toxoplasmosis
homocystinuria
Down’s Syndrome
Retardation
Alexander Disease
Progeria
and many other congenital anomalies that result in short lives of extreme suffering---

just like happiness and joy, suffering is a state of mind...not that it does not exist, but how we choose to view suffering that makes the difference between living life as an experience or experiencing life as a punishment.


Sometimes we project our own ideas onto others and imagine what we would feel or do if that were us and we ASSUME the one afflicted feels the same...which is not always the case.

[Kode]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Know? yes

Care? sure god does

Intervene? not

Suppose your idea of suffering is way different from mine---I have spent a life-time interacting with those you claim are "suffering" from some of the following--

dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa
autism
phenylketonuria
cystic fibrosis
galactosemia
sickle cell disease
biotinidase deficiency
congenital toxoplasmosis
homocystinuria
Down’s Syndrome
Retardation
Alexander Disease
Progeria
and many other congenital anomalies that result in short lives of extreme suffering---

just like happiness and joy, suffering is a state of mind...not that it does not exist, but how we choose to view suffering that makes the difference between living life as an experience or experiencing life as a punishment.


Sometimes we project our own ideas onto others and imagine what we would feel or do if that were us and we ASSUME the one afflicted feels the same...which is not always the case.

You don't know the suffering and misery some of those diseases cause. And you are actually saying God created the child but not in the condition of birth. You are saying God does a partial, incomplete job. He is not in control but is a mere participant then. Yet God cares and sees and knows and allows an innocent child to suffer and die, sometimes by age 6 months or 2 years. You describe a callous, unfeeling "god" who is "perfect" but allows imperfection and suffering by those who are entirely innocent and do not deserve it.

I'm really a bit shocked by your own off-hand disregard for the very real suffering some of these children have to endure.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by Kode

You don't know the suffering and misery some of those diseases cause. And you are actually saying God created the child but not in the condition of birth. You are saying God does a partial, incomplete job. He is not in control but is a mere participant then. Yet God cares and sees and knows and allows an innocent child to suffer and die, sometimes by age 6 months or 2 years. You describe a callous, unfeeling "god" who is "perfect" but allows imperfection and suffering by those who are entirely innocent and do not deserve it.

I'm really a bit shocked by your own off-hand disregard for the very real suffering some of these children have to endure.

Lived it, watched it....for over 20 years....

I am shocked at your blindness to insist on saying "suffering," as if it is a given and all suffer. If you want to hate on god, you are more than welcomed, god knows how often I have called God out for obvious stupidity, but stop exploiting the children as justification for your hate of god..

Since I am not perfect (sounds like you are) it is apparent god does not create perfection all too often--with you being the exception--so there are few perfect children created.

Some might consider red hair something to suffer with, freckles can cause suffering, as can being too short (what does too mean?) and too tall.

Some consider complexion as causing suffering...

Again, for those suffering from low comprehension genes, genetics are a result of DNA which, unfortunately, has mutated for one reason or another and NOT as a result of god playing in the chemistry lab.

Should god "fix" everything that is wrong with this world? It would be nice. I too fought that fight -- demanding god show and do something!!!

Finally I realized god is doing something EVERYDAY---

GOD HAS ALLOWED ME TO LIVE ANOTHER DAY AND GO INTO THIS NASTY UGLY WORLD AND DO SOMETHING TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE...

Just as god is sending out doctors to find cures for diseases, singers to create joy, artist to create hope, laborers to create, and an assorted army of people who do something everyday on the smallest of levels to experience life more abundantly---

AND YES--SOMETIMES WE LOSE--and that loss is greater than all the pain in the world--DESPITE ALL OUR EFFORTS--WE ALL DIE--

NO MATTER HOW MUCH JOY WE TRY TO CREATE---HOW MUCH JOY WE ARE GIVEN--OR HOW MUCH JOY WE GIVE--WE CAN STILL LOSE---THAT IS LIFE--

We either get back up and fight like hell for the living--or we can choose to sit by, pout and blame others (god) and do nothing as more die (physically and emotionally)--

But when it is all said and done--The only place to put the blame is on ourselves for not having tried.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Few except you and 144,000 others?

He (Jesus) Come to Me and I will in no way cast you out.

I am with you forever....

Where there are two or more I am there (so if you are solo, too bad)

Many don't and many start to come to him and then turn around.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Many don't and many start to come to him and then turn around.

please share any current data to support this theory...

[kjw47]

Originally Posted by Kode

And yet, why does God create babies who suffer and die an early death due to diseases like:
dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa
autism
phenylketonuria
cystic fibrosis
galactosemia
sickle cell disease
biotinidase deficiency
congenital toxoplasmosis
homocystinuria
Down’s Syndrome
Retardation
Alexander Disease
Progeria
and many other congenital anomalies that result in short lives of extreme suffering?

This question stops me cold, and I have yet to find anyone who can answer this. We are told God is good, God is love, God is pure, etc. So why does he create babies who suffer so horribly as some do?

God does not interfere with mortal free will unless it interferes with his will. It wouldn't be free will otherwise. Mankind has brought the pain and suffering upon themselves by living for the flesh.
One must understand what occurred in Eden.