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Whose egg was it that provided the X chromosome that united with the Y chromosome to produce Jesus????? Do you guys know anything about human reproduction????
The Holy Spirit inseminated Mary supernaturally, and it had to be since Jesus was sinless from the start. Additionally we know that the blood of the mother and fetus are NOT mixed together. So Mary was the same as the rest of humanity, but given a very special mission, and she had to be saved by faith in her Son just like all of us. The virgin birth is NEVER optional for those who know how it worked......
Jesus' genealogy goes back to Adam as is seen in Luke's genealogical account. But since Jesus didn't have a human father Adam's old sin nature was not transmitted to Jesus. The sin nature is not transmitted through the mother. Thus one reason for the virgin conception and birth.
As a true human being Jesus had to be related to Adam in order to pay the penalty for the sins of the world. Sin entered into the world through Adam. Yet He Himself had to be without sin.
Interesting, isn't it Richard, that Christian fundamentalists INSIST that Jesus is in the lineage of David---without truly being descended from him.
No matter how inerrantists present their extremely improbable case for Mary being a descendant of David, it wouldn't matter since even if there had been any suggestion that Jesus traced his lineage back to David through his mother, the Bible writers would have been laughed out of town because, in Biblical times,
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"Women did not count in reckoning descent for the simple reason that it was then believed that the complete human was present in the man's sperm (the woman's egg wasn't discovered until 1827). The woman's womb was just the soil in which the seed was planted. Just as there was barren soil that could not produce crops, so also the Bible speaks of barren wombs that could not produce children."
Paul Carlson, New Testament Contradictions, page 2.
Not sure how any of this is related to OSAS, but like most threads this one has drifted off course.
Interesting, isn't it Richard, that Christian fundamentalists INSIST that Jesus is in the lineage of David---without truly being descended from him.
No matter how inerrantists present their extremely improbable case for Mary being a descendant of David, it wouldn't matter since even if there had been any suggestion that Jesus traced his lineage back to David through his mother, the Bible writers would have been laughed out of town because, in Biblical times,
Paul Carlson, New Testament Contradictions, page 2.
Not sure how any of this is related to OSAS, but like most threads this one has drifted off course.
Jewishness is through the mother, while tribal affiliation comes through the father...
Yeah, he thinks a God who "Created the Heavens and the Earth"
and who created Adam out of the dust of the earth,
and who can raise up the "whole house of Israel"
from the valley of the dry bones,
cannot create one more human being.
Yeah. Right.
I don't think he believes any of what you mentioned.
I agree. Salvation seems like a huge distraction. You could have left off the not behaving like unbelievers part and got your point across. That kind of implies we are the standard of horrible behavior or something. Unless of course you meant to say that.
Salvation is not a distraction... for believers, it has already occurred. So salvation is neither gained nor lost because of sin and evil deeds. However, our behavior should mirror our Father in heaven, and not the unbelievers on earth.
Unbelievers - in general - are the standard for bad behavior. That's not breaking news is it?
Salvation is not a distraction... for believers, it has already occurred. So salvation is neither gained nor lost because of sin and evil deeds. However, our behavior should mirror our Father in heaven, and not the unbelievers on earth.
Unbelievers - in general - are the standard for bad behavior. That's not breaking news is it?
I disagree. Even if I agreed with that statement it alienates the people you are trying to convince. By saying that is all you are doing is preaching to the choir. Do you really expect someone to show you respect after you disrespect them?
Salvation is not a distraction... for believers, it has already occurred. So salvation is neither gained nor lost because of sin and evil deeds. However, our behavior should mirror our Father in heaven, and not the unbelievers on earth.
Unbelievers - in general - are the standard for bad behavior. That's not breaking news is it?
It is not just breaking news, it is the reflection of the misguided focus in religion on specific beliefs ABOUT Jesus and God instead of His actual instructions and example. Somehow believing Jesus and following His instructions to love God and each other to be His disciples became believing a set of "precepts and doctrines of men" ABOUT Him to become His disciples. It is infinitely harder to actually love God and each other every single day and repent when we don't than to claim to believe some creed. I call it the easy believism model. It is what birthed the ridiculous notion that unbelievers are the "standard for bad behavior" instead of unloving behavior.
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