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Old 03-28-2018, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And yet you believe God will hold the sins of the majority of people against them for eternity.

Sounds like a contradiction with the biblical passage which says that God is not holding the sins of the world against them.
Then I must assume you do NOT believe God is holy.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:07 AM
 
Location: New England
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Then I must assume you do NOT believe God is holy.
Explain God being holy and how Jesus Christ manifested this ?.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:14 AM
 
Location: New England
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I most certainly do not! You think it conflicts with God is love. This is your issue, not mine.

The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God. -John Piper, author of “Desiring God”

You have set our iniquities before you,our secret sins in the light of your presence. Psalm 90:8

Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; Habakkuk 1:13


If you, LORD, kept a record of sins, Lord, who could stand? Psalm 130:3
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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Then I must assume you do NOT believe God is holy.
I simply know that holiness is a manifestation of what God is: love, and therefore is not in contradiction with love.

But, I see you ignore the clear contradiction of your belief that God will hold the sin of the majority of the world against them forever with the biblical statement that God does not hold the sin of the world against them and love keeps no record of wrongs. Do you think you can explain that away?
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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I simply know that holiness is a manifestation of what God is: live, and therefore is not in contradiction with love.

But, I see you ignore the clear contradiction of your belief that God will hold the sin of the majority of the world against them with the biblical statement that God does not hold the sin of the world against them and love keeps no record of wrongs. Do you think you can explain that away?
Weird. Because the Bible says God is Holy. It's not just a "manifestation" of it.

I haven't seen you answer the question, though. Why do you believe that ONE verse and all the others are wrong?
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Hmmm, you think justice is tit for tat then. As opposed to love, which does good to those who do you evil.

Sounds like a contradiction.
Tit for tat? Well, those are your words, so no wonder they sound odd even to yourself.

God's love it extended to everyone, including those who do evil. Remember Nicky Cruz?

Don't turn it down.

Read the parable of the wedding feast, and it might become clearer to you.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:35 AM
 
Location: New England
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Weird. Because the Bible says God is Holy. It's not just a "manifestation" of it.

I haven't seen you answer the question, though. Why do you believe that ONE verse and all the others are wrong?
We all manifest what we are .... God is Holy, explain what it is and where Jesus manifested it. You cannot hide what you are, he did not hide holiness from anyone. So you being an expert in what holiness is, should have no problem explaining it.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:40 AM
 
Location: USA
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Weird. Because the Bible says God is Holy. It's not just a "manifestation" of it.

I haven't seen you answer the question, though. Why do you believe that ONE verse and all the others are wrong?
"Holy" is a descriptive adjective. It describes something about God. "God is love." Love is a noun there. It's what God IS. If you think the word "holy" contradicts what God IS, then, if you're a thinking person, you'd want to consider if your understanding of the word "holy" is mistaken. Or simply continue to ignore the contradiction.

Why are you asking me why I believe ONE verse in the bible and think all the other verses are wrong, when that is clearly not the case?
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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We all manifest what we are .... God is Holy, explain what it is and where Jesus manifested it. You cannot hide what you are, he did not hide holiness from anyone. So you being an expert in what holiness is, should have no problem explaining it.
Holy is defined as "separate" or "for God's use".

Holman NT Commentary defines it as: "Set apart from ordinary use for God’s use; set apart from sin."

Jesus didn't simply "manifest it". He is Holy. He is God. Isaiah 6 shows angels proclaiming "Holy Holy Holy" about god.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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"Holy" is a descriptive adjective. It describes something about God. "God is love." Love is a noun there. It's what God IS. If you think the word "holy" contradicts what God IS, then, if you're a thinking person, you'd want to consider if your understanding of the word "holy" is mistaken. Or simply continue to ignore the contradiction.

Why are you asking me why I believe ONE verse in the bible and think all the other verses are wrong, when that is clearly not the case?
God is also said to be wrathful, just, holy, righteous, etc. You are emphasizing one attribute to the esclusion of the rest.
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