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Old 03-28-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Do you believe this?

Isaiah 6:3

3 And one called to another and said:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
the whole earth is full of his glory!”
If you think this bible passage contradicts the biblical statement that God IS love, that's a conundrum for you to figure out.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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You are making theological statements about God. You reference the Bible, but you ignore the fact that the Bible gives some very clear teachings on the attributes of God that contradict what you're stating.
Do you accept the book of James, which directly contradicts the Evangelical Christian doctrine of Salvation by Faith Alone?

Liberal Christians aren’t the only ones that cherry-pick from the Bible.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Do you accept the book of James, which directly contradicts the Evangelical Christian doctrine of Salvation by Faith Alone?

Liberal Christians aren’t the only ones that cherry-pick from the Bible.
Of course I accept James. And no--it does not contradict it. It lines up perfectly with the idea of salvation by faith alone. The question is "What is faith?" Read James 2 with that basic question, and see what he has to say about it.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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If you think this bible passage contradicts the biblical statement that God IS love, that's a conundrum for you to figure out.
It seems to me you are the one in a conundrum. The fact that God is holy presents a problem for your theology.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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It seems to me you are the one in a conundrum. The fact that God is holy presents a problem for your theology.
Not at all, but you've had this discussion with nate and camps, I believe, on a number of occasions. Your understanding of the what holy means is tripping you up, because you think it is in contradiction with love (which keeps no record of wrongs, and is not holding sin against the world).
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Not at all, but you've had this discussion with nate and camps, I believe, on a number of occasions. Your understanding of the what holy means is tripping you up, because you think it is in contradiction with love (which keeps no record of wrongs, and is not holding sin against the world).
I most certainly do not! You think it conflicts with God is love. This is your issue, not mine.

The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God. -John Piper, author of “Desiring God”
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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If you think this bible passage contradicts the biblical statement that God IS love, that's a conundrum for you to figure out.
The point is the opposite: it does not contradict it. God is both.

And he is also Just.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you, and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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The point is the opposite: it does not contradict it. God is both.

And he is also Just.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you, and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.

Hmmm, you think justice is tit for tat then. As opposed to love, which does good to those who do you evil.

Sounds like a contradiction.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:44 AM
 
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I most certainly do not! You think it conflicts with God is love. This is your issue, not mine.

The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God. -John Piper, author of “Desiring God”
And yet you believe God will hold the sins of the majority of people against them for eternity.

Sounds like a contradiction with the biblical passage which says that God is not holding the sins of the world against them.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Except that it is NOT. God is also holy, just, righteous and wrathful. They're attributes.
Can you explain what God being and holy and righteous is, and an example of Jesus showing the wrath of God. You know that Jesus expressed everything that God is?. You ignored this last time i asked you

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Explain holiness and righteousness and which one of the 2 did Jesus teach to abide in?. That's right neither, only in the love of Gpd can you BE holy as he is holy and BE righteous.
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