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Nope. You can seek to honor God by creating graven images of a calf, but if you do, you've missed the mark.
Sure, marks are easily missed when one ignores what God said about any given issue. You can open the Bible and see what God said about worshiping idols and learn God specifically said you should not do that. Same goes with the topic at hand. If you know what God wanted, and you obey, you are honoring God with your actions. If you know what He wanted, and choose to disobey, they you are not honoring God with your actions.
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Who is us?
I sense a familiar tone of force in that statement.
No, means no.
"Us" are the members of the United Methodist Church.
And we don't have to take "no means no". We ARE the church, and can take our membership/loyalties/resources to congregations who do allow gays to participate fully.
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Sure, marks are easily missed when one ignores what God said about any given issue. You can open the Bible and see what God said about worshiping idols and learn God specifically said you should not do that. Same goes with the topic at hand. If you know what God wanted, and you obey, you are honoring God with your actions. If you know what He wanted, and choose to disobey, they you are not honoring God with your actions.
I don't believe gay people are sinning, but I do understand that biblically, there is some cause for people who think it's a sin. I just personally don't believe it, and believe strongly it's a characteristic set at birth. Before birth even.
So. For those who believe homosexuality is sinful, Do you not allow anyone who is a sinner to be in your church?
People who have stolen, coveted, not kept holy the Sabbath, told lies and will likely tell lies in the future, etc.?
'Cause that's going to be one mighty small church.
And then, when you stand before the Pearly Gates and St. Peter says did you keep the commandment to love one another as Jesus loved you, you can say well, for the most part, I guess. Except sinners. Didn't love and include them.
The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean God doesn't love hetersexuals. It's just that they need more supervision. - Lynn Lavner
"Us" are the members of the United Methodist Church.
And we don't have to take "no means no". We ARE the church, and can take our membership/loyalties/resources to congregations who do allow gays to participate fully.
This sounds more like your own personal prerogative and choice. In no way does that warrant the suffix of us that you used.
Respect of righteous leaders who care for and love their neighbors and Love the Lord with all their heart ensure the well being of a generation so as to be taught sound doctrine.
If for example a known criminal organization sneaks in to a congregation and begins to extort and attempts to coerce leadership into money laundering.
I would hope said leadership would do the right thing.
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This sounds more like your own personal prerogative and choice. In no way does that warrant the suffix of us that you used.
Respect of righteous leaders who care for and love their neighbors and Love the Lord with all their heart ensure the well being of a generation so as to be taught sound doctrine.
If for example a known criminal organization sneaks in to a congregation and begins to extort and attempts to coerce leadership into money laundering.
I would hope said leadership would do the right thing.
"A little leaven"
?? Us isn't a suffix. It's a pronoun, and it doesn't include you.
I don't think Gay people are going to extort and attempt to coerce leadership into money laundering, actually. I'm guessing they want to serve on the bereavement committee and sing in the choir.
Jesus surrounded himself with people who others advised him not to because they were sinners, outcasts. I think I'd like to be in his crowd, doing what He did. Whatsoever you do . . . and all.
I don't believe gay people are sinning, but I do understand that biblically, there is some cause for people who think it's a sin.
Thanks for sharing your personal opinion on it. People can go with what the Bible teaches, or they can go with personal opinions and/or feelings.
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The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals.
Not sure which verses are directed exclusively for heterosexuals, but many unrepenting sexually immoral heterosexual pastors and/or members have been asked to leave. Even the Bible gives an example of such instance.
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Jesus surrounded himself with people who others advised him not to because they were sinners, outcasts. I think I'd like to be in his crowd, doing what He did. Whatsoever you do . . . and all.
?? Us isn't a suffix. It's a pronoun, and it doesn't include you.
I don't think Gay people are going to extort and attempt to coerce leadership into money laundering, actually. I'm guessing they want to serve on the bereavement committee and sing in the choir.
Jesus surrounded himself with people who others advised him not to because they were sinners, outcasts. I think I'd like to be in his crowd, doing what He did. Whatsoever you do . . . and all.
The categories of fellowship you are presenting is what the majority of the congregation do.
The issue that has been specifically addressed is the sanctity of Marriage between man an woman.
Same sex unions are recognized by a supposed number of states. And in principle is a law upon government officials of said government.
But by no means is the subject of discussion allowed to be forced upon families who uphold the Royal torah.
Thanks for sharing your personal opinion on it. People can go with what the Bible teaches, or they can go with personal opinions and/or feelings.
Not sure which verses are directed exclusively for heterosexuals, but many unrepenting sexually immoral heterosexual pastors and/or members have been asked to leave. Even the Bible gives an example of such instance.
Yes, He told them to go and sin no more.
the use of numbers by cc. Is similar to misleading trends.
One such trend that has been refuted is a 365 repetition of "fear..yada".
No need to count.
Repetition is a familiar tool and tact.
The topic of discussion is the sanctity of marriage between man and woman.
The seal of such a covenant is what is hated by everyone knows who.
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