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Old 09-03-2020, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The "sons of God" is also referenced in Job 1:6. My bible has an annotation about "the sons of God" being a divine counsel.
Agreed. I also believe we were in attendance at that council.

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It seems that the majority of scholars and theologians agree that the term "sons of God" (in the sense of Job) is referring to angels.
Yeah, you're probably right.
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:17 PM
 
Location: US
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The prodigal was never adopted, he was always a son.

Always..... even before the writer of the John epistles declared..... Behold what manner of love that the Father as bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God.

From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
I was being facetious...
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:17 PM
 
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The prodigal was never adopted, he was always a son.

Always..... even before the writer of the John epistles declared..... Behold what manner of love that the Father as bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God.

From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
Actually, from the quote you're using from 1 John 3:1, the Greek word used is "τέκνα"(tekna), which means "child"; not "son(s)".
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I thought that Jesus was His only son?...
Jesus is believed by Christians to be God's "Only Begotten Son," which makes all the difference in the world. We are all his sons and daughters by virtue of the fact that He is the Creator of our spirits, i.e. the source of our life and created in His image. This particular Christian (yours truly) believes that Jesus was in a category all by himself, that God was His literal Father and Mary His literal mother, i.e. that He had a both divine and a mortal parent.
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
Beautifully put!
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Old 09-03-2020, 06:33 PM
 
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From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
Interesting comment. In my church, we have a song that children start to learn when they are part of the Church's children's auxiliary. It's called
"I Am a Child of God." That's what we focus on. In my religious experience, I've never been told that I was "just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace."

It's not just LDS children who sing this song, though. Adults sing it, too, including the Tabernacle Choir. I serve as a Sunday School teacher out at the Salt Lake Metropolitan Jail (or at least I do when there is no Covid-19). There are about 25 couples who do this with us. We split up and, over a period of a couple of hours, meet with groups of about 12 men each, in the various cell blocks. We always have an opening hymn before we begin class. The men get to pick the hymn we sing, and this one is their favorite. And let me tell you, it's quite the emotional experience just listening to these men sing it.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:03 PM
 
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Actually, from the quote you're using from 1 John 3:1, the Greek word used is "τέκνα"(tekna), which means "child"; not "son(s)".
I have a Child who is my son I have another child who is my daughter. Hope that helps.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:06 PM
 
Location: New England
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I was being facetious...
I know, but it drew something out of me.
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Katz, we sing the Hillsong version.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lKw6uqtGFfo
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Old 09-03-2020, 07:13 PM
 
Location: New England
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Interesting comment. In my church, we have a song that children start to learn when they are part of the Church's children's auxiliary. It's called
"I Am a Child of God." That's what we focus on. In my religious experience, I've never been told that I was "just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace."

It's not just LDS children who sing this song, though. Adults sing it, too, including the Tabernacle Choir. I serve as a Sunday School teacher out at the Salt Lake Metropolitan Jail (or at least I do when there is no Covid-19). There are about 25 couples who do this with us. We split up and, over a period of a couple of hours, meet with groups of about 12 men each, in the various cell blocks. We always have an opening hymn before we begin class. The men get to pick the hymn we sing, and this one is their favorite. And let me tell you, it's quite the emotional experience just listening to these men sing it.
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