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From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
Jimmie, could you possibly post the words? I'm having a hard time understanding them.
Who am I that the highest King
Would welcome me
I was lost but He brought me in
Oh His love for me
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
Free at last He has ransomed me
His grace runs deep
While I was a slave to sin
Jesus died for me
Yes He died for me
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
In my Father's house
There's a place for me
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
[Bridge]
I am chosen, not forsaken
I am who You say I am
You are for me, not against me
I am who You say I am
I am chosen, not forsaken
I am who You say I am
You are for me, not against me
I am who You say I am
I am who You say I am
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
In my Father's house
There's a place for me
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
Who am I that the highest King
Would welcome me
I was lost but He brought me in
Oh His love for me
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
Free at last He has ransomed me
His grace runs deep
While I was a slave to sin
Jesus died for me
Yes He died for me
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
In my Father's house
There's a place for me
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
[Bridge]
I am chosen, not forsaken
I am who You say I am
You are for me, not against me
I am who You say I am
I am chosen, not forsaken
I am who You say I am
You are for me, not against me
I am who You say I am
I am who You say I am
Who the Son sets free
Oh is free indeed
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
In my Father's house
There's a place for me
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
I'm a child of God
Yes I am
The prodigal was never adopted, he was always a son.
Always..... even before the writer of the John epistles declared..... Behold what manner of love that the Father as bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God.
From the mouth of most Christian's you will never hear them say they are sons of God, they are far more comfortable with confessing "I'm just a poor miserable sinner saved by grace" . So if that is the case, how the heck are they ever going to believe and identify with who they really are , the sons and daughters of God ?...
Do you think that the passage relates to the physical creation of literal sun, moon, stars?
I can see you applying that kind of typology to it. Scripture is full of examples of that. I personally disagree -- in the context God is dressing down Job and pointing out that Job just doesn't have clue what he's talking about. So I think his point was that Job was clueless when it came to things like God creating the universe.
Yes. The angels are called the sons of God because they are the image of God. They exist with Him in heaven above, and serve him as a son does his father.
Unfortunately, angels can not copulate. Or, fortunately.
Either way, they are not interested in women.
If you were to read through Ezekiel and Book of Enoch, you will find that, sons of good, in number of 200, found human women beautiful and wanted to choose among them and possess them. To what they were bound by some big time oath not to do so and tossed on some mountain to be there.
So much for your belief that "sons of god" were angels.
Humans, only humans. Maybe fancy ones, with some powers, but only humans.
Unfortunately, angels can not copulate. Or, fortunately.
Either way, they are not interested in women.
If you were to read through Ezekiel and Book of Enoch, you will find that, sons of good, in number of 200, found human women beautiful and wanted to choose among them and possess them. To what they were bound by some big time oath not to do so and tossed on some mountain to be there. So much for your belief that "sons of god" were angels.
Humans, only humans. Maybe fancy ones, with some powers, but only humans.
You might try actually reading 1 Enoch. The sons of God were angels.
1 Enoch / R. H. Charles translation
[Chapter 7]
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens. [bolding mine]
Enoch Chapter 7
Enoch 7:1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
Enoch 7:2 And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
(3) An Aramaic text reads "Watchers" here (J.T. Milik, Aramaic Fragments of Qumran Cave 4 [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1976], p. 167).
Enoch 7:3 Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise;
Enoch 7:4 And that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime.
Enoch 7:5 But they answered him and said; We all swear;
Enoch 7:6 And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking.
Enoch 7:7 Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations. Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, (4) which is the top of mount Armon.
(4) Upon Ardis. Or, "in the days of Jared" (R.H. Charles, ed. and trans., The Book of Enoch [Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1893], p. 63).
Enoch 7:8 That mountain therefore was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it, (5) and bound themselves by mutual execrations.
(5) Mt. Armon, or Mt. Hermon, derives its name from the Hebrew word herem, a curse (Charles, p. 63).
Enoch 7:9 These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them. [bolding mine]
And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God 4 saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were
p. 57
beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were giants. [bolding mine]
Additionally, both Peter and James were referring to the Genesis 6:2-4 incident when they mentioned the punishment of the angels in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6.
The original understanding in Jewish thought was that the sons of God in Genesis 6:4 were angels. Both the Bible and extra-biblical Jewish texts confirm this.
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