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Old 09-15-2015, 11:36 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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So, what city experienced a drop in murder rates? I don't see any in the list. And would you happen to know what caused this nationwide outburst of violence?
For the sake of an arbitrary number, the United States has 81 cities with a population of 250,000 or more. You honestly think they're all seeing increased homicide rates?

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Of course not on that list. That list is highlighting cities that have had increases, duh. There's dozens of other US cities with drops in homicide rates or hardly any change at all.

Scare Headlines Exaggerated The U.S. Crime Wave | FiveThirtyEight
Thank you for post. I'd also point out that quite a few of the cities that have increased rates this year might likely end this year lower than last year, or at least break even. El Paso, as of July 15 anyway, is in the plus column, but they're only sitting with 2 extra murders after having gone from 7 at that time in 2014 to 9 this year. It's a city of 679,000 people. I doubt they're too concerned.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:18 AM
 
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Of course not on that list. That list is highlighting cities that have had increases, duh. There's dozens of other US cities with drops in homicide rates or hardly any change at all.

Scare Headlines Exaggerated The U.S. Crime Wave | FiveThirtyEight
To quote the article: 'Homicides in Arlington, Texas, through Aug. 31 are down by 50 percent — to four from eight.' Well that's good news. Apparently, some small towns actually got safer.

Most of the largest 60 cities from the list in the article experienced an increase in homicides. Only Boston has seen significantly less. The usual suspects like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly, Washinton, Nashville, New Orleans all experienced an increase. I'm really dissapointed in Austin and SF. So, what caused the nationwide outbreak of violence?
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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As of 09/07 Albuquerque is at 29 compared to 28 for all of 2014 which was an all time low.
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Old 09-16-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Maine
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To quote the article: 'Homicides in Arlington, Texas, through Aug. 31 are down by 50 percent — to four from eight.' Well that's good news. Apparently, some small towns actually got safer.

Most of the largest 60 cities from the list in the article experienced an increase in homicides. Only Boston has seen significantly less. The usual suspects like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly, Washinton, Nashville, New Orleans all experienced an increase. I'm really dissapointed in Austin and SF. So, what caused the nationwide outbreak of violence?
And despite the fact that some cities are not seeing an increase, many of them are still seeing increases in shootings. Boston, for example, has 181 shooting victims as of Sep 13 vs 157 in 2014, yet homicides are still down significantly.

New Orleans murders declined slightly in 2014. But nonfatal shootings in New Orleans still rose 23% in 2014.
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:44 PM
 
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Miami is another city that sees about 75 murders and over 200 in Dade County.

NYC, in 2011, had 419 murders in the city. The metro area had 852 murders.
DC had 88 murders. The metro had 195.
Houston had 217, the metro had 349.
Detroit had 386, the metro had 469.

It's pretty widespread across the country, but Atlanta does have a higher ratio of murders in the suburbs to the city than a lot of places.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...abledatadecpdf
Chicago tends to work the other way, at least for the Illinois side that was easy to find stats:

Chicago: 2,700,000 people and 415 murders (15.4 per 100,000)
Suburbs: 5,800,000 people and 118 murders (2.0 per 100,000)

Taking out a few isolated small suburbs right south of the city limits and then breaking down the suburbs a bit more:

Chicago: 2,700,000 people and 415 murders (15.4 per 100,000)
South Burbs: 81,000 people and 34 murders (42.0 per 100,000)
Suburbs: 5,600,000 people and 76 murders (1.3 per 100,000)


Overall metro rate: 6.2 per 100,000

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Old 09-16-2015, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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No, it's actually a phenomenon created by Ronald Reagan when he decided to go to "War" with non-violent drug users. Now we have more people in jail than any other country on the planet. Guess we're seeing the results of years of oppression in various communities.
Dont do drugs then and you will not go to jail
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Cleveland is at 87. It is on track to have its highest murder total of the 21st century. In fact, it has already passed the yearly totals for 10 of the 14 years this century.

It will definitely see its highest murder rate of the century this year.

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Old 09-16-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Metro Atlanta (Sandy Springs), by way of Macon, GA
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Hate to be a contrarian here but you are badly misinformed in promoting the, "...an entire suburban county like Clayon that gets described as ghetto" mindset which you have done here.
If it were true, I would never have moved there in 2010.
Good gravy! Sometimes I can't believe the misinformation that anonymous people propagate here on the forum.
I think you failed to comprehend my post, which is correct. I said Clayton County is an entire county that gets labeled as ghetto. I never said I believed that, I simply said that's what it gets labeled as.

All you have to do is look at the Atlanta forum, there's always people talking about how bad Clayton County is, the schools, the crime, etc and encouraging people not to move there. They even go so far as to say "Henry County is becoming another Clayton County"

I'm actually a person that comes to the defense of Clayton County, who's replied to those type of threads and posts saying that when I stop at Clayton Country exits, it never looks that bad to me. Whether or not it's as bad as they say, it doesn't change the fact that it does have that stigma and bad reputation. You cant deny that.

//www.city-data.com/forum/georg...eally-bad.html
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Cleveland is at 87. It is on track to have its highest murder total of the 21st century. In fact, it has already passed the yearly totals for 10 of the 14 years this century.

It will definitely see its highest murder rate of the century this year.
Dang! And no one ever talks about Cleveland on here
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Old 09-16-2015, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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NYC has 231 now which is a...4.5% increase from last year. Obviously any sort of increase is bad, but it's not exactly a crime wave
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