09-21-2009, 08:55 PM
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The latest Quinnipiac actually had the Mets re-claiming #2 from the Sox in Fairfield, but by just 5 % points. Statewide, it was Yankees 42%, Sox 38%, Mets 9%, Other 11%. In '03 it was 47-33 Yankees, so the line has definitely shifted west.
2009:
Fairfield - 52 NYY 16 Bos 32 Other
NH/Middlesex - 48 NYY 31 Bos 21 Other
Litchfield - 41 Bos 32 NYY 27 Other
Hartford - 53 Bos 37 NYY 10 Other
Tolland, Windham, NL - 59 Bos 28 NYY 13 Other
Connecticut (CT) Poll * June 1, 2009 * Yankees Bump Sox Out Of Top Sp - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut
The Q Poll is wrong and clearly overstates the Boston influence.
I know a thing or two about polling.
They should take that poll several times during the year, they should ask people under the age of 18, and the questions in general lead to a "bandwagon effect."
The best evidence is this....in 2003 the Yanks lead by 15%...their highest...in 2008 the Sox lead by 1%...their highest...thus the Yanks at their highest crushed the Sox who only lead for one year....aggregate shows CT is much more a Yankee state which make sense because the gravity model would show the city which is 1) closer to CT and 2) a bigger market would 3) have more influence culturally.
Stick it NESN and Theo Epstein...stop trying to claim Southern CT is yours and that New England is your country.
Tri-State NY is our country.
Your country is where they drop their 'r's.
09-21-2009, 09:16 PM
Location: Quiet Corner Connecticut
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Actually there are VERY few Red Sox fans in Western CT.
I see about the same amount of Red Sox fans in Western CT as I do Steelers and Cowboys fans.
That tells me that people here who root for the Red Sox do so NOT because they are the "local" team and because "Boston" has a stake in this region (laughable that some town 4 times smaller and 4 times further away would have the audacity to think that just because CT is part of New England it would go for them....CT is just as much Tri-State NY) but because they are bandwagoners.
Is a Steeler fan in Shelton mean Shelton is part of the PIT market?
Nope.
Same thing with the Red Sox.
Bandwagoners.
Perhaps they or their families moved to western Connecticut from somewhere else?
I knew some Red Sox fans in Danbury, but because the family was from the Boston area originally. I knew a Steelers fan in West Haven, but she was born near Pittsburgh.
But Fairfield and New Haven counties definitely are New York home turf and New York market, no question.
09-21-2009, 09:22 PM
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That's exactly my point.
A Red Sox in New Haven or Fairfield County is either a transplant or a bandwagon just like a Steeler fan.
It is NOT because southern CT has an affinity and culturally shared value with Boston.
I just find it irritating to hear propoganda from John Henry, Larry Lucchino, and Theo Epstein that New England is Red Sox county.
I get really annoyed when people say that Milford is 50/50 and New Haven is more Red Sox country because it is more associated with New England.
Bullsp***t!!!
This whole New England's team is crap and if they want to play that game...ok...New Haven is more Yankee country because it is more tied to Stamford which is tri-state New York.
09-21-2009, 09:55 PM
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Milford is definitely not 50/50, neither is New Haven or the towns around it. New Haven I can't even picture being 70/30.
When was the last time you saw an Italian Red Sox fan from Connecticut?
09-22-2009, 06:01 AM
Location: Live in NY, work in CT
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While I agree that New Haven County is mostly Yankees, I do think it is also where you start to see a few Sox fans, perhaps because they moved there from originally being closer to Boston, or perhaps because the ratio of NY/Boston distance, while still closer to NY, is like 1/3 vs. 2/3, so it's not like you're on top of NYC (more on this theory in my last paragraph). And believe me, I'm a Yankees fan from NY so I'm not saying this to boost the Sox at all, just honest observation from time spent up there.
My guess for New Haven County would be somewhere between 80/20 Yanks and 90/10 Yanks. Now Fairfield County on the other hand, I would think what few Sox fans there are (and I would honestly put it at 5% if that, maybe even 1%) are people who moved there from closer to Boston. It really much more than New Haven County is fully NYC metro.
Now one last thought on this, a theory on why there are ANY Sox fans in New Haven County. This summer I met someone from New Haven and someone from Waterbury who were both Sox fans. They have never lived outside of their respective areas and were never fans of the Yankees or another team. I was curious given the geography and asked why and got an interesting response. They said while they lived closer to NY than Boston, it was still faraway enough from NYC that they liked to consider themselves as not being part of the "New York" culture (i.e. they watched the Hartford/New Haven/Waterbury TV stations, not the NY ones, though the guy in New Haven got them as well) and one manifestation of it was to support the Red Sox over the Yankees. This may explain some of why you'd have a small but noteworthy amount of Red Sox fans in NH County.
I do disagree with the Q poll though, the numbers seem way to high for NH and unbelievable for Fairfield (though the "other" part could be the Mets there, but I've heard that Fairfield has very few Mets fans because it's much easier to go to Yankee Stadium than to Shea/Citi Field given distance, toll bridge, etc., same reason why Westchester is mostly Yankees and not Mets).
09-22-2009, 08:19 AM
Location: Land of the Free
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That's exactly my point.
A Red Sox in New Haven is either a transplant or a bandwagon just like a Steeler fan.
The Red Sox are on NESN in New Haven, but the Steelers are not carried on CBS locally. Not to mention the fact that you can get the games on radio throughout most of the state on 1080 AM from Hartford. Steeler games are not on the radio in CT. Your point is absurd.
Cross the Q-Bridge and the Red Sox presence gets very noticeable, as is the shift in landscape to more traditional New England. No question Sox are a minority up to Clinton or Westbrook, but their support between New Haven and Old Saybrook is a lot like the Mets' fanbase in Manhattan - the second most popular regional team.
09-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Location: Long Island Sound
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From my observations, the CT River is the Mason Dixon line. It may have moved a little west due to the Red Sox success this decade, but it still appears to be about a 50-50 split from Saybrook northwest to Hartford.
09-22-2009, 03:37 PM
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is it really that debatable a topic to have 7 plus pages.does it really matter who roots for what team and where they live.there are yankees fans in the heart of boston,and red sox fans in all the 5 boroughs.does the percentage of either in any area really matter.it is all just a personal preference for each individual person. i have friends in park slope and astoria and they are sox fans(and they are all native new yorkers),don't know how they became sox fans, but do know of a bar in queens that is a red sox bar,but the name is excaping me right now.but the point is different strokes for different folks no matter where they live.
09-22-2009, 04:07 PM
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From my observations, the CT River is the Mason Dixon line. It may have moved a little west due to the Red Sox success this decade, but it still appears to be about a 50-50 split from Saybrook northwest to Hartford.
Kind of...West of the River in Hartford (Farmington Valley and north to Granby, Suffield etc) has plenty of Sox fans. I'd call it 50/50 actually.
It's a weird East/West - North/South slanted kind of line thing IMO.
Then again, I've got my in-laws in Wallingford who are die hard Sox fans.
I guess my MIL's family being from Boston originally might have some influence, but WHATever.
09-22-2009, 04:53 PM
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is it really that debatable a topic to have 7 plus pages.does it really matter who roots for what team and where they live.there are yankees fans in the heart of boston,and red sox fans in all the 5 boroughs.does the percentage of either in any area really matter.it is all just a personal preference for each individual person. i have friends in park slope and astoria and they are sox fans(and they are all native new yorkers),don't know how they became sox fans, but do know of a bar in queens that is a red sox bar,but the name is excaping me right now.but the point is different strokes for different folks no matter where they live.
Last weekend the NY Daily News had a great pullout section all about the Yankees-Sox rivalry (and surprisingly from BOTH angles) which had articles on interesting side notes like an 80 year old native Bostonian who's lived there all his life but has always rooted for the Yankees since his teens because Joe DiMaggio gave him "Italian pride" as a kid, and a "Red Sox" bar in midtown Manhattan. Anyway, just thought I'd give that as an interesting response.
Another side note to that not related to the article is that I've noticed in recent years during games where the Yankees and Red Sox play each other on TV that you actually sometimes see fans in Sox gear at Yankee stadium and vice versa (though less of that since Fenway is smaller stadium and more likely to sell out with locals, especially since the new Stadium opened).
As a kid in the late 70s/early 80s I don't remember ever seeing anything like that; I remember hearing stories like if you're a Yankees fan and go up to Boston to see Fenway Park for the history, etc., don't go when they play the Yankees because you'll get beat up if you wear Yankees cap/pinstripes or root for them at a level where you can be heard (and also stories that if a Boston fan did the reverse in the Yankee stadium bleachers, they may get knifed.....now NYC was pretty bad with crime back then but I think it was more of a legend).
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Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)