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Old 02-26-2014, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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She is a corpse on a ventilator. There is no life to support. Now it is just a macabre experiment to see how long the heart will continue beating in the absence of a functioning brain.
Thanks for the clarification. She is indeed a corpse on a ventilator. Very macabre.
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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Where did you get your medical degree?

She has been declared dead. She is indeed a corpse on life support.
Where did you get your medical degree? Does having one make you a GOD?
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Old 02-27-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Where did you get your medical degree? Does having one make you a GOD?
I'm not the one claiming something different than a doctor, hence why I asked you where you got yours.

It doesn't make them "GOD", but it does make them a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are when it comes to being able to tell when someone is dead.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Where did you get your medical degree? Does having one make you a GOD?
Not sure why you are so angry about this but FIVE different medical doctors, with some of the best credentials on the planet, have declared Jahi dead.

What is your skin in this game if you don't mind me asking?
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:29 PM
 
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I think this is a hard situation for most everyone. I would be saddened to see what has been an educational situation for many, review of professional ethics and more deteriorate at this point.

There have been many kind hearted people, regardless of training or occupation post here because of their concern for the 13 y.o. and those involved. Plus those who wanted to learn more.

I've done my best to keep the tone friendly here even when others disagree with me and other posters. If I can't keep a safe feeling for all here, I won't have accomplished what I attempted to do: educate and create a safe environment for others.

There are so many issues involved at various times I've suggested posters start a new discussion to focus on the side issues. Perhaps that may be appropriate at this point too.

MSR
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:28 AM
 
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I'm not the one claiming something different than a doctor, hence why I asked you where you got yours.

It doesn't make them "GOD", but it does make them a whole hell of a lot smarter than you are when it comes to being able to tell when someone is dead.
So people are not allowed to question the theory of brain death or disagree with doctors? Why is that? And not every living doctor is in agreement on anything. I never said the girl was going to wake up. I'm just getting sick of people vilifying her mother and making her out to be trash or some kind of grifter and the attempt to dehumanize her child. I haven't heard anything disparaging about Michael Schumacher's family and he is likely not going to recover, although great lengths have been taken for him.
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Old 02-28-2014, 04:31 AM
 
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Not sure why you are so angry about this but FIVE different medical doctors, with some of the best credentials on the planet, have declared Jahi dead.

What is your skin in this game if you don't mind me asking?
Another poster asks me if I'm a doctor and I ask her the same question, but you say that I am the angry one? lol I think I'm attempting to participate in a discussion where I have a differing opinion.
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Old 02-28-2014, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Another poster asks me if I'm a doctor and I ask her the same question, but you say that I am the angry one? lol I think I'm attempting to participate in a discussion where I have a differing opinion.
What exactly, is your opinion?
Are you saying that she is still a living person and that her body has not ceased to function on it's own?
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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So people are not allowed to question the theory of brain death or disagree with doctors? Why is that? And not every living doctor is in agreement on anything. I never said the girl was going to wake up. I'm just getting sick of people vilifying her mother and making her out to be trash or some kind of grifter and the attempt to dehumanize her child. I haven't heard anything disparaging about Michael Schumacher's family and he is likely not going to recover, although great lengths have been taken for him.
There isn't a 'theory' of brain death. Death is death, it is pretty black and white.

I've seen no one on this thread vilifying Jahi's mother or calling them trash. What we are questioning is her judgement and how this is effecting her other children.

The judgement that is in question is that of some shady doctors, the attorney who is obviously in this for fame, and Jahi's school.

We are not dehumanizing Jahi, at this point Jahi is a corpse. This isn't opinion but fact.
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Old 02-28-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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So people are not allowed to question the theory of brain death or disagree with doctors? Why is that? And not every living doctor is in agreement on anything. I never said the girl was going to wake up. I'm just getting sick of people vilifying her mother and making her out to be trash or some kind of grifter and the attempt to dehumanize her child. I haven't heard anything disparaging about Michael Schumacher's family and he is likely not going to recover, although great lengths have been taken for him.
Schumacher is in a coma. He has not been declared brain dead. That is a very big and crucial difference.

No one here has tried to dehumanize Jahi. We have good reason to be appalled at her mother's behavior.
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