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Old 01-16-2015, 03:17 PM
 
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Why is there an assumption that this is government controlling every aspect of our lives? There are plenty of other things that legitimately are (looking at the Repubs here), but requiring sick leave isn't controlling our lives.



Not sure if you have experience with childbirth, but it is actually a mix of health benefits and leave. You don't go to work immediately after childbirth.



Just like small businesses have to pay taxes and SSI among other things.
Yes, just like taxes. Now imagine that business having their taxes doubled at the drop of the hat. How many would stay in business?
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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If he was really that valuable, he would demand a ridiculously high salary in exchange for essentially being an indentured servant.

In reality, it's usually poor management practices (like not cross training) that place businesses in the precarious position where they are dependent on specific individuals.
You're not wrong. This guy was and is paid very well (but not well enough for all that), and also received a lot of intra-company awards and such. He also got to wear whatever the he|| he wanted. He eventually did take a pretty good sabbatical - three months I believe. Now he mainly works remotely.

His problem was he was incredibly efficient and knowledgeable, he was the *architect* of a lot of infrastructure in a particular part of the company, and he had enviable industry contacts. The company was highly dependent, addicted even. He was the first person on everyone's lips when any of a whole laundry list of things went wrong.

Things are a bit better now, and he was a cautionary tale and lesson for people like me.

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What slack is there to pick up?
Well, things still have to get done. I'm not sure I understand the question, actually. If there's no slack to pick up, why is this person who is temporarily out employed?
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Old 01-16-2015, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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If you work for a large company it likely does make no sense to you. Having owned my own business and presently working for a small employer it makes a lot of sense to me.How about when your relief calls out sick with a hangover calling it the flu and you are the only one there??
You deal with it. That's why managers make the big bucks. And if they can't deal with an employee calling in sick for a day or two, they don't deserve to be managers, at either a large, small, or in-between company.

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These combined buckets are often a "use it or lose it" setup, whereas with dedicated days for each purpose, at least a portion of unused vacation can be rolled over to the next year.
It depends on the benefits arrangement; I've worked at places with combined PTO where you could roll over a set number of days, and places with separate vacation and sick leave where a set number of days could be rolled over. I've worked at places where you couldn't roll over anything.

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Yes people do abuse all sorts of things. I do not think the government should be able to force employers to pay for those taking advantage.
It's the employer's responsibility to investigate if someone is "taking advantage" or not, not the government's.

Although it's hard to imagine how anyone can abuse a few days of sick leave.

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I certainly agree no one should lose their job because they are legitimately sick. But why should a small employer hanging on by their bootstraps be forced to pay them??
So the employer can retain that employee, avoid having to retrain a new employee every time someone gets sick, and build some continuity into the business. And because it's the right thing to do.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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For those against maternity leave are you against paid short term disability?
The insurance company pays for that, no I am not against it. I'm not against maternity leave either. It just seems weird to pay someone who has no time off due to them for nothing.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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I can argue both sides of this argument, both with great passion.

On the one hand, women don't get pregnant and become parents by themselves.

On the other hand, if you give women six weeks of paid leave after having a baby, then it's only fair that new fathers get the same amount of leave - and adoptive parents too.
They do get it.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:40 PM
 
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The insurance company pays for that, no I am not against it. I'm not against maternity leave either. It just seems weird to pay someone who has no time off due to them for nothing.
Also, would the same companies offer maternity leave to the father? I believe companies should offer week to recover from the procedure. After that, they should take vacation/PTO in conjunction with the initial week. If they do not have the PTO, then the time off is unpaid. Pretty simple. I even think the week would be generous. If I have an extreme medical procedure, I'm not given 'extra' time off to take care of it. I have my sick time and my vacation time. If I need more than that, it is short term disability or non-paid time off.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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They do get it.
VERY few companies offer this.
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Old 01-16-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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VERY few companies offer this.
I would think it would be discrimination not to.
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Old 01-16-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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VERY few companies offer this.
If leave is available for adoption it's typically available to both genders. Maternity leave is tied to a medical issue and recovery
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Old 01-16-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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and paid maternity leave. On the maternity leave, isn't that a choice and a very personal one? Why should anyone else pay someone's time off to have a baby?
Actually, the idea is that it is one of the employee's benefits. Thus, the employee earns it by virtue of working for the company.

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If leave is available for adoption it's typically available to both genders. Maternity leave is tied to a medical issue and recovery
The more neutral and universal "parental leave" is used in some other countries. The United States is unusual amongst developed countries (and many developing countries) in that it has no paid maternal or parental leave requirement.
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