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Old 05-23-2014, 06:11 PM
 
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Well a few hours after waking up there's this thing called lunch.
or breakfast, depending on if you have broken your fast before that point
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Old 05-24-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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I can see that. Good thing I'm not talking about starvation, I'm just talking about waiting a few more hours after waking up before having your first meal.
Not such a "good thing".

Eat 700 calories for breakfast, 600 for lunch normally. You'll eat 1300 for breakfast + lunch.

If you eat 1100, you'll move or burn around 200 calories less by cutting corners in your physical activity at a subconscious level, or you'll just eat 200 calories more at dinner. If the diet is chiefly starches, the 1100 calories would be very efficiently partitioned by insulin into fat cells and your body would not feel like moving much at all during the rest of the afternoon because the fat cells will be hoarding the energy rather than releasing it to be used by your body. That is why I brought up the Jillian Michaels scenario. You will literally have to be boot camped off your butt to work out because your physiology by default will not want to.

It all works out.

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Old 05-24-2014, 04:43 AM
 
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I do find, however, that I can skip a full breakfast if I put coconut oil into my coffee. I burn the fat directly because I'm carb restricted and the coconut oil has been shown to actually boost metabolism resulting in more weight loss. The lack of insulin response from the oil makes achieving a caloric deficit much more realistic. 13 pounds in 2 months with minimum exercise (walking briskly, weight loss accelerated including weight lifting). NEVER feel hungry or crave snacks. Slowly but surely.

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Weight-loss diet that includes consumption of... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI
Dietary coconut oil increases conjugate... [Biochim Biophys Acta. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21643838
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Old 05-24-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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or breakfast, depending on if you have broken your fast before that point
Why not just eat breakfast in the morning and lunch at lunchtime?
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Old 05-24-2014, 04:07 PM
 
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Why not just eat breakfast in the morning and lunch at lunchtime?
Yeah I'm not understanding the point either. If you're eating healthily, you're not eating too close to bedtime. So you're already started on your "fast" the moment supper is over. By the time you get up in the morning, you will have not eaten for at -least- 8 hours, and if you're doing it right, for at -least- 12 hours. So you've already fasted for 12 hours. Why make it 15 hours, or 16 hours? What benefit would you get from depriving your body of food after you've already gotten up and started your day, that would offset the negative of pushing your body into hunger-mode and potential brain-fog, lethargy, etc. etc.?

And - drinking a cup of coffee in the morning is giving yourself a dose of caffeine, which is both a diuretic and a stimulant. Even without sugar, you're getting your "rush" artificially. It has nothing to do with starving yourself for an extra 4 hours. Pushing your body with a diuretic and stimulant in it, and no fuel (food) until lunchtime on a regular basis is just asking for a future of medical bills.
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Old 05-24-2014, 05:20 PM
 
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Yeah I'm not understanding the point either. If you're eating healthily, you're not eating too close to bedtime. So you're already started on your "fast" the moment supper is over. By the time you get up in the morning, you will have not eaten for at -least- 8 hours, and if you're doing it right, for at -least- 12 hours. So you've already fasted for 12 hours. Why make it 15 hours, or 16 hours? What benefit would you get from depriving your body of food after you've already gotten up and started your day, that would offset the negative of pushing your body into hunger-mode and potential brain-fog, lethargy, etc. etc.?

And - drinking a cup of coffee in the morning is giving yourself a dose of caffeine, which is both a diuretic and a stimulant. Even without sugar, you're getting your "rush" artificially. It has nothing to do with starving yourself for an extra 4 hours. Pushing your body with a diuretic and stimulant in it, and no fuel (food) until lunchtime on a regular basis is just asking for a future of medical bills.
Who says eating right before bed is unhealthy? Who says having coffee on an empty stomache is unhealthy? I'd love to see those studies. Also, who says you have brain fog and lethargy from not eating?? Again, would love to see the evidence!

Also, the main benefit of a longer fast is a smaller feeding window, so less calories overall during the day. Ancilliary benefits include lower insulin levels, greater insulin sensitivity, higher hgh and testosterone levels and boosted energy levels

Top Ten Fasting Myths Debunked (Major Update Nov 4th) | Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health

Nutrition Expert Alan Aragon talks protein, intermittent fasting, & low carb dieting! - NarkSide Nutrition

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On a final note, I’ve seen the greatest client success come from letting individual preference dictate meal frequency. Some people do great on small frequent meals, others do great on the opposite (and all points in between). The theoretical advantages of any given dietary approach go straight out the window if it’s at odds with someone’s personal preference & adherence capability.
An Objective Look at Intermittent Fasting - AlanAragon.com - Fitness Based on Science & Experience
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Old 05-24-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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Your sources are not relevant to the discussion. One is some internet guy whose name isn't even mentioned, whose website is filled with broken images, and whose "about" section is blank, and whose internet name is the English transliteration of the greek name for the guy who fell in love with his own image and drowned in the reflecting pool. Not a credible source, by any stretch of the imagination. His "advice" "articles" (I use the terms loosely on purpose) consist primarily of insults and bullying.

The other is a guy whose expertise is in sports nutrition for Olympians and other competitive sports athletes.

Neither of which have anything to do with normal people with normal lives trying to be healthy.

The third is an advertising page for a guy who promotes intermittant fasting and sells some books on his (badly written) website, so clearly it will not have any objective information.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:05 PM
 
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Anon - rep for you....you actually looked at the sources and did some digging - so important.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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Eating sugar without protein only makes you hungrier and can cause a quick rise/fall of blood sugar. The digestive system doesn't need to "wake up" - it works beautifully and can digest a full meal in the morning just as easily as it can in the evening. The digestive system is always "awake."
Most raw food eaters eat NOTHING but fresh fruit in the am and they are all doing just fine. Our digestive system is not intended to be working all the time. Eating meals that may take hours to digest and following that up with another meal that will take hours to digest is difficult on the body. The standard American diet is literally killing people.
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Old 05-24-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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Most raw food eaters eat NOTHING but fresh fruit in the am and they are all doing just fine. Our digestive system is not intended to be working all the time. Eating meals that may take hours to digest and following that up with another meal that will take hours to digest is difficult on the body. The standard American diet is literally killing people.
Most of the world does not follow the standard american diet, AND most of the world doesn't follow a rawfood fruit-only diet. Both of these things are true. Here's another thing - EVERYONE is dying. No matter what they eat, they will die. No raw food diet will prevent death. And no cheeseburger will prevent death.

Also, not every American follows the "standard American diet" and in fact, the standard American diet isn't really all that standard. Macrobiotics has been around for a very very long time, and most people can't handle it, because it takes a lot more discipline than the average human being *of any culture* is normally able to tolerate without getting fed up.

Eating a raw diet is a fun trend, but it isn't sustainable long-term. Eating junk food is also a fun trend, and is also not sustainable long-term.

Only allowing yourself 6 consecutive hours out of every 24 hours to eat is an equally fun trend, and is equally unsustainable long-term. It doesn't mean you will eat less calories. A cheeseburger is the same 500 calories whether you eat it at 6 in the morning or 6 in the evening.

Your body relies on fuel to function, just like any machine. The human body cannot use the sun as fuel. It requires food, and it requires water. The longer you abstain from either, the less efficient your body is. It is more efficient to keep a little something in your stomach most of your waking hours, than it is to abstain for many hours and then suddenly fill up. Starvation mode is not healthy mode, and filling your body up with sugar, even if it's from lovely wonderful natural perfect raw fruit, as soon as you finally do get around to eating, and rejecting other types of food just because you want to prove you can eat 20 bananas in a day, is just flat out insane.
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