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Old 07-12-2011, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You are the perfect parents for this puppy! pit bulls agression is only "bred into" long lineage of fighting bred dogs. Pit bulls (American Strafforshire Terriers) were actually called nanny dogs because they are so wonderful with children. If a pit bull (full or mixed breed) is raised in a loving enviornment with lots of loving socialazation with people, children and other dogs you will have a most PERFECT PET. Keep her, she won't grow up to hurt anyone....but most especially their own pack members!
Oh boy, I need to shoot this one down real quick! Are you saying pit bull's only exhibit "aggression" and I have to clarify, DOG aggression because they are fighting dogs? So if someone owns a pit bull that doesn't come gamebred lines, they need not worry about DA? I hope that isn't what you are saying.

APBT's and AST's are two totally different breeds. And for the record, the breed that was nicknamesd the nanny dog was the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

I will say to the OP please watch your dog around other dogs. An APBT owner could socialize the heck out of their APBT with other dogs but this does not stop the innate ability to be DA. Some APBT's are cold and could care less about other dogs but we have to remember it is in their blood. I have heard from too many people that own APBT's that say all of a sudden their APBT "turned" on the other dog in the house after living peacefully together. It happens.

If you want to explore a pit bull forum that is educational, please go to pit bull chat.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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And for those of you that are in favour of dog parks, I am sitting here shaking my head. I don't care if there are more favorable outcomes than non-favorable. I own an APBT and he is very well trained. I dare not take him to a dog park because I know what he may be capable of. It is a gamble taking this breed to a dog park and APBT's do not need doggy friends much to the dismay of the people that insist their pibbly poo needs doggy friends. I hold my dog to a higher standard because of the negativity toward the breed. I feel if something should happen I would be held accountable because I am the one with the APBT. It takes one more negative story for the media to jump all over it and to give the people in favour of BSL more ammunition.

To the OP if you want a link of why dog parks a huge no no for people with pit bulls, let me know. You will see stories on there with major consquences against the owner of the pit bull. And like many people the owner NEVER had a problem taking the pit bull to a park.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Oh boy, I need to shoot this one down real quick! Are you saying pit bull's only exhibit "aggression" and I have to clarify, DOG aggression because they are fighting dogs? So if someone owns a pit bull that doesn't come gamebred lines, they need not worry about DA? I hope that isn't what you are saying.

APBT's and AST's are two totally different breeds. And for the record, the breed that was nicknamesd the nanny dog was the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

I will say to the OP please watch your dog around other dogs. An APBT owner could socialize the heck out of their APBT with other dogs but this does not stop the innate ability to be DA. Some APBT's are cold and could care less about other dogs but we have to remember it is in their blood. I have heard from too many people that own APBT's that say all of a sudden their APBT "turned" on the other dog in the house after living peacefully together. It happens.

If you want to explore a pit bull forum that is educational, please go to pit bull chat.
Our puppy is a mix so we won't ever know for sure what breeds may or may not be in her genetic makeup. But I'm about 100% positive that she didn't come from someone's fighting stock.

Someone loved her enough to stand out in a hot parking lot, trying to find her a loving home. So I think her parents are well loved and sweet dogs, too. But of course it's all speculation on my part, no way to know for sure.

So far, she looks like a mini cream colored lab and she's about as sweet as they come. Smart, too. My gut tells me that she's going to be a really nice dog.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: In the north country fair
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Our puppy is a mix so we won't ever know for sure what breeds may or may not be in her genetic makeup. But I'm about 100% positive that she didn't come from someone's fighting stock.

Someone loved her enough to stand out in hot parking lot, trying to find her a loving home. So I think her parents are well loved and sweet dogs, too. But of course it's all speculation on my part, no way to know for sure.

So far, she looks like a mini cream colored lab and she's about as sweet as they come. Smart, too. My gut tells me that she's going to be a really nice dog.
OMG, WHERE ARE THE PICTURES??!! I really need to see this little furbutt!
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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OMG, WHERE ARE THE PICTURES??!! I really need to see this little furbutt!
Working on it . We had a problem with the digital camera. She is adorable.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Our puppy is a mix so we won't ever know for sure what breeds may or may not be in her genetic makeup. But I'm about 100% positive that she didn't come from someone's fighting stock.

Someone loved her enough to stand out in a hot parking lot, trying to find her a loving home. So I think her parents are well loved and sweet dogs, too. But of course it's all speculation on my part, no way to know for sure.

So far, she looks like a mini cream colored lab and she's about as sweet as they come. Smart, too. My gut tells me that she's going to be a really nice dog.
My statement was just because a dog isn't gamebred does not mean it won't be DA. Dogs that are gamebred are just as sweet as those that are not. It is genetic for an APBT to be loving toward humans period. Other dogs and small animals, that is a different story.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Pit bulls can be dog aggressive, but many of them are not, especially if you work with them and socialize them as a puppy. Why are you creating problems where there are none? And this dog is 9 weeks (I think) old and she's not sure of the breed. Anyone should be careful when two dogs who don't know each other are interacting, and I'm with you about dog parks. I didn't go to them when I had non-bully breed dogs, and I don't now. But I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to tell the OP to do.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:27 PM
 
Location: In the north country fair
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My statement was just because a dog isn't gamebred does not mean it won't be DA. Dogs that are gamebred are just as sweet as those that are not. It is genetic for an APBT to be loving toward humans period. Other dogs and small animals, that is a different story.
This is true for most dogs, which have been bred, raised and trained to serve human interests. JRT's were originally ratters, Border Collies originally herded sheep, Greyhounds were game chasers, Retrievers and Labs were game retrievers, etc. Pitbulls were originally bred to help with game hunting and flushing; here in FL, people still use them to hunt pigs. In Spain, a breed of Greyhound is still used to hunt hares.

If you are going to say that Pitbulls are more genetically prone to attack small animals, then you have to add all other dogs (except the Toy and non-working groups) to that list. And many of us have dogs from the groups that were meant to kill small animals but have not had problems with those dogs b/c we have not trained them for such work. If I wanted to train my GSD to hunt, herd or attack, it would be a very simple task.

Even if a Pitbull has been bred to fight, it would still need to be trained to do so at some point. Even breeding does not ensure a particular behavior or performance. Just ask all of Secretariat's children

These dogs may have instincts towards certain behaviors but those instincts do not ensure aggression; aggression and aggressive behavior is learned b/c it is promoted and/or rewarded through training.

Consequently, fighting Pitbulls--even those that have been bred to fight--have to be baited. They also are electrocuted, put on treadmills, denied food and then given food after fighting so that they will fight. They've been targeted b/c of their size and reputation, the same as GSD's, Rottweilers, Mastiffs, Dobermans, etc.

However, you can do to any breed of dog what many have done to the Pitbull. In fact, they are just the most recent in a long line of breeds that have been used for aggressive purposes and then villified because of it. For the longest time, it was GSD's, then Dobermans, then Rottweillers, then Huskies, now Pits.

At some point, you have to realize that this is not an issue with a particular breed of dog but, rather, people who are using those dogs towards their own aggressive purposes. The problem, as usual, is with people, not dogs.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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The problem, as usual, is with people, not dogs.
That is SO true! Here in FL, pit bulls are abused, there is still fighting going on here.

I also agree, that some dogs don't need to be taken to dog parks...I am not a dog behavior specialist, but the last time I went to a dog park, there was a VERY aggressive dog there, and Sam and I decided to just leave. I don't know how to teach a dog not to be aggressive, but if you have an aggressive dog...don't take it to a dog park to teach it manners! That dog was off leash, and trying to jump on other dogs, and grab them by the throat. And the owner just did nothing. This dog was a pit mix. But it was NOT the dog's fault!!! The owner was the idiot. He needed to take his dog to a controlled environment, and teach it basic commands.
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Old 07-12-2011, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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That is SO true! Here in FL, pit bulls are abused, there is still fighting going on here.

I also agree, that some dogs don't need to be taken to dog parks...I am not a dog behavior specialist, but the last time I went to a dog park, there was a VERY aggressive dog there, and Sam and I decided to just leave. I don't know how to teach a dog not to be aggressive, but if you have an aggressive dog...don't take it to a dog park to teach it manners! That dog was off leash, and trying to jump on other dogs, and grab them by the throat. And the owner just did nothing. This dog was a pit mix. But it was NOT the dog's fault!!! The owner was the idiot. He needed to take his dog to a controlled environment, and teach it basic commands.
Dog parks are for the benefit of humans only. It is not a natural environment for dogs, and has a tendency to stress them out. A well socialized dog can get along at a dog park the vast majority of the time, but it still puts a great deal of stress on the dog being around other strange dogs.
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